The 2013 Vikings Draft

[VikingLord]

You mean someone like Everson Griffen?

Griffen was a 4th round pick. If you're saying "on the team" as in "taken in a later round", then sure, Ogletree would make sense in Round 4 (or even Round 2), but I'd be hesitant to take him at #23 unless he's clearly the best available there, and the way things are shaping up that doesn't look like it will be the case.

[VikingLord]

And Percy Harvin.

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Jared Allen was already a proven commodity in the pros when the Vikes gambled on him.

Harvin was a star in college. Not a guy with potential - he was a proven star with problems. Moss was the same.

While Ogletree has a lot of potential as a pro, I wouldn't lump him in with the Harvin's, Allens, or Moss's of the world just yet. For Olgetree to reach his potential in the pros, he's going to have to work hard, both to get bigger while retaining his speed, but also to become a better run defender. The Mike is the QB of the defense, and whoever is playing that spot has to have the respect of every player around him. I've always seen Ogletree as a developmental prospect at Mike, albeit a prospect with an awesome ceiling should he reach his potential, and therefore worth the #23. The likelihood that this kid is going to reach that potential just went way down with this latest arrest. He's not in Florida training hard to get ready with other guys who are likely first rounders. He's in Arizona getting wasted and then getting behind the wheel of a car.

Not worth the risk now at #23. If he lasts to the 2nd I'd consider it provided nothing else bad happens with him, but not at #23.

[Mothman]

Jared Allen was already a proven commodity in the pros when the Vikes gambled on him.

Harvin was a star in college. Not a guy with potential - he was a proven star with problems. Moss was the same.

While Ogletree has a lot of potential as a pro, I wouldn't lump him in with the Harvin's, Allens, or Moss's of the world just yet. For Olgetree to reach his potential in the pros, he's going to have to work hard, both to get bigger while retaining his speed, but also to become a better run defender. The Mike is the QB of the defense, and whoever is playing that spot has to have the respect of every player around him. I've always seen Ogletree as a developmental prospect at Mike, albeit a prospect with an awesome ceiling should he reach his potential, and therefore worth the #23. The likelihood that this kid is going to reach that potential just went way down with this latest arrest. He's not in Florida training hard to get ready with other guys who are likely first rounders. He's in Arizona getting wasted and then getting behind the wheel of a car.

Not worth the risk now at #23. If he lasts to the 2nd I'd consider it provided nothing else bad happens with him, but not at #23.

Well said. There will be other high-quality players available at #23 without the high-risk baggage.

[S197]

Why is Keenan Allen projected so low? Has good speed, good hands, tons of potential...

If we lose Percy...or trade him (high 2nd round - maybe to Chiefs?), I would go Allen - Ogeltree - Hunter. That's right two WR.

Mainly due to injury concerns.

[saint33]

I also heard a report that Allen was not looking too great when running routes next to his peers. Supposedly he showed no drive or flash of elite. Some chick reporter posted it on her twitter feed which showed on NFL.com

Kinda weird that he is reported not showing anything comparable to the skills of the other top WR.

I'm not surprised, actually. He's not an explosive athlete, or a speed guy. He's more of a physical guy who makes plays after the catch. Similar to a Brandon Marshall

[Mothman]

I also heard a report that Allen was not looking too great when running routes next to his peers. Supposedly he showed no drive or flash of elite. Some chick reporter posted it on her twitter feed which showed on NFL.com

Kinda weird that he is reported not showing anything comparable to the skills of the other top WR.

Eh... we're talking about a report on pre-combine workouts and Allen is coming off of a knee injury. The words inconsequential report come to mind...

Jim

[BGM]

The draft is about risks. However, I am not sure Ogletree is worth the risk at 23. Had this been his only incident, I could see not allowing it to color his potential too much. But as a repeat offender, it warrants a second close look at his character. Is this the indiscretions of youth? Is it a pattern of habitual use and poor judgement?

He is a risk that could pay off greatly. But will he fit into the scheme, the goulash of personalities? Would he mature into a leader or devolve into a distraction?

My guess is there may be other players who carry less risk and equal reward available at 23.

[Mothman]

The knee injury was in 2011...

He injured his PCL last october and missed the remainder of the 2012 season:

http://www.sfgate.com/collegesports/art ... 002153.php

... these workouts are usually getting them ready for the combine to show their skills at the highest level, so I do not dismiss them as you may choose to. The fact that there are other WR's in the top 5 that are basically blowing him out of the water in all aspects of the practice,seems a little concerning.

"Blowing him out of the water"? Where did you get that?

I've read that he wasn't separating himself from other WRs in these workouts and that he lacked a "wow" factor but if someone said those WRs were blowing him away, I'd be interested in reading that observation if you can provide a link. Even if someone said that, it's still a view of a pre-combine workout. I'm not completely dismissing such workouts but he IS coming off a knee injury and we're not talking about a meaningful workout for NFL teams at the combine or a pro day. We're certainly not talking about game performance either, which is more meaningful than any workout.

Allen was my favorite WR coming in to this draft, but if we are drafting one of these guys 1st round, I want to hear nothing but positives and praises from the scouts.

Good luck. No player gets out of the process without some criticism.

[vikingsfansince07]

WR of choose for me would be Tennessee WR Cordarrelle Patterson

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjxkQXlCAfE


That guy is fun to watch.

[Dark]

There are a lot of great players to draft in the first round this coming year. I think we should draft a wide reciever in the first round, but if Ogletree or another one of those big name Linebackers are available when its our turn to pick, I wouldn't be upset. There are SO MANY options at WR, so I think if we do draft a LB in the first round, we could still have a shot at a decent WR.

[PacificNorseWest]

WR of choose for me would be Tennessee WR Cordarrelle Patterson

Agreed. Probably not available when Minnesota picks though. And everyone seems to be sleeping on Robert Woods. He's a viable option.

[PacificNorseWest]

I like Hopkins too. So many damn receivers in this draft. Bottom line is Minnesota better not come away empty handed.

[Mothman]

I havent heard a single bad thing about Quinton Patton, Deandre Hopkins, Terrance Williams. IWe could probably get patton in the second or maybe third depending on how he does at the combine.

I know what you mean about wanting to hear nothing but positives and praise for the player the Vikings pick. However, if you look at their draft profiles, you'll see weaknesses listed for every player. For example:

Quinton Patton

Possesses generally reliable hands but will drop an occasional pass, especially when defenders are battling with him. Must get stronger and improve his concentration to make the tough grabs with defenders ripping away at his arms as the ball arrives. Can make defenders miss but doesn't show much strength to run through arm tackles.

Deandre Hopkins

Occasionally loses track of the ball on easy catches when trying to make a move too early. Must prove his ability to use his hands to beat press coverage from NFL veterans off the line. Dances around defenders and run backwards after short catches at times, losing his balance or some yardage, instead of heading upfield. Will need to be more consistently physical in the blocking game at the next level.

Terrance Williams

Pure outside receiver. Does not run a variety routes in Baylor’s offense. Routes are not always completed if he is not primary target. Inconsistent making his man miss after the catch, has some short-area quickness but better tacklers wraps up his long legs quickly. Tracks the ball well, but lets it get into his body and isn’t a natural hands catcher.

That said, they could all help the Vikes.

Jim

[Mothman]

I was talking along the lines of off the field issues, it was more directed to the whole injury situation some wr's have and the issues some of these players are having off the field( I.e. ogletree)

Ah, I misunderstood you.

I'd definitely prefer to see the team to stay away from players Ogletree, especially in the earlier rounds, where there's always plenty of good talent that doesn't come with so much baggage.

[hibbingviking]

love to see the vikes pick up a qb in the 3rd . like glennon, nassib, ej manuel. maybe they can find a hidden gem like russell wilson and kaepernick.