Percy's future w/ Vikings looking uncertain

[Mothman]

we seems to lose, or give up on, too many receivers only to see them do better elsewhere.

I think its a combination of poor coaching and talent recognition/development AND the lack of a real QB (which is also related to poor talent recognition and player development). If you are an NFL grade receiver, why would you even want to waste your very limited career time on a poor QB (TJ) or an extremely questionable QB (ponder)?? Moss was smart enough to leave...

Moss was traded when he left the first time and cut the second. There was nothing "smart" on his part in either situation and in neither case was it his choice to leave.

Rice knew better then to stay...

That hardly fits with your theory. If Rice didn't want to waste his "very limited career time on a poor QB (TJ) or an extremely questionable QB (Ponder)" then why did he go to Seattle, where he spent 2011 playing with Tarvaris Jackson again?

...and Harvin will likely leave and end up having some kick #### QB to work with. As a receiver, you are totally dependent on a QB to allow you to show your skill and build your stats. We don't have that QB so we won't attract or keep good receivers. IT ALL GOES BACK TO THE QB. I was privliged enough to watch Tarkenton, Kramer, mebbe Culpepper. Beyond those rare events, the Vikes have never really developed a good QB.

... except, of course, Brad Johnson who was successful everywhere he played and went on to win a Super Bowl with Tampa Bay.

Harvin has thrived with Ponder as his QB. Fans who insist on making Ponder the reason for Harvin's unhappiness are, in all likelihood, simply projecting their own disdain for the Vikings QB onto Harvin.

[BGM]

we seems to lose, or give up on, too many receivers only to see them do better elsewhere.

Really? Who have the Vikings given up on who has gone on to do better somewhere else? Nate Burleson? He had one good season with the Vikings, but was injured in his final season in Purple. Since then, he has only played in 16 games in a season three times. He's put up good numbers with Detroit, but then got hurt this season.

Sidney Rice? He was as injury-prone as they come. He put up one great season in 2009 with the Vikings. He had a solid season with the Seahawks in 2012 with 7 TDs, but who knows how long he will last before getting hurt again.

Darius Reynaud? He's become a very good return man for the Titans, but that's all he is.

Just curious who the Vikings have given up on?

[HardcoreVikesFan]

What have Pelissero and Zulgad seen with respect to Harvin? They obviously have a low opinion of him as a person and as a teammate. Starting at about the 7:00 mark:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=785znf3Xez4

To say they feel strongly about Harvin would be a gross understatement.

What a joke. Both of these clowns are whiny piles with agendas. Hell, give me Pelissero's job, pay me half of what he gets, and I could do just as well as him.

[NextQuestion]

I don't think those guys break the bank or anything.

[HardcoreVikesFan]

I don't think those guys break the bank or anything.

Well, that was kind of my point too haha.

[Mothman]

More of the same old nothing about Percy Harvin, this time from Kevin Siefert:

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcnorth/post/_ ... ins-future

It's increasingly clear that the media don't seem to know any more than we do about this subject, which isn't much. If these guys have more information, they're keeping it to themselves.

[Purple bruise]

http://www.prosportsdaily.com/articles/ ... 27988.html

Percy Harvin passes physical for Minnesota Vikings

NFL.com | Feb 5
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Leslie Frazier confirmed a month ago that wide receiver Percy Harvin's Grade 3 ankle sprain was headed in the right direction. The Minnesota Vikings' coach revealed Tuesday that Harvin has since passed his exit physical.

[Demi]

Hopefully his exit from the team physical. Don't need malcontents like this on a rebuilding team. And don't get antsy with the beat writers for calling them like they sees them.

[saint33]

What a joke. Both of these clowns are whiny piles with agendas. Hell, give me Pelissero's job, pay me half of what he gets, and I could do just as well as him.

I don't mind Pelissero, he at least puts the work in, and tries to be a real analyst on a weekly basis. As far as media beat writers go, I think he's a pretty good one.

Jugald annoys me though, he seems to be more a "fan" than anything. His insight isn't often that insightful. He's got more personality than Tom P though, which I guess is a plus

[CalVike]

Not much substance, but it says what a lot of people seem to want to believe. I hope it's just anonymous sources and meaningless drivel. Mike Max of WCCO is the author citing the infamous "multiple sources" [anonymous]. Sounds like a whole lot of nothing.

http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2013/02/0 ... cy-harvin/

Multiple sources tell Max that Harvin had an embarrassing tirade directed toward Frasier, disrespecting the coach during the season when Harvin was sidelined with an injured ankle. Teammates were present, and Max was told that is when Harvin left the team and was put on injured reserve. Sources say teammates were disappointed in Harvin’s actions and the organization has moved toward less tolerance for that behavior.

[Mothman]

Not much substance, but it says what a lot of people seem to want to believe. I hope it's just anonymous sources and meaningless drivel. Mike Max of WCCO is the author citing the infamous "multiple sources" [anonymous]. Sounds like a whole lot of nothing.

http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2013/02/0 ... cy-harvin/

We'll see what happens. If they trade him, maybe they'll be able to snag a second round pick for him, sign a free agent like Wallace and convert the pick into another good receiver. Harvin's a great weapon but he's not indispensable.

At this point, I'm tired of all the rumors and I'm looking forward to a conclusion, whether it's Harvin signing a new deal with the Vikes or a trade that puts an end to the speculation. I just hope it all works out in the Vikings best interests when the dust has settled.

[Demi]

but it says what a lot of people seem to want to believe.

I think it says what happened...and what some people refuse to believe.

[Mothman]

I think it says what happened...and what some people refuse to believe.

Something like this shouldn't be a question of belief. Most of us just want a report that contains something from more than "sources".

This particular report contained basically the same info we've known for months but slightly re-phrased to sound worse. Instead of saying Harvin "exchanged words" or had a "heated argument", Max says Harvin had an "embarrassing tirade" toward Frazier. It all boils down to the same thing: Harvin clearly lost his temper. The only real difference here is that Mike Max definitively states the Vikings will trade Harvin. Maybe they will but I doubt he knows that. What source with definitive knowledge of such a trade would he have with the Vikings that all the other Vikes beat reporters, not to mention reporters like Mortensen, King and Schefter lack? This report looks more like somebody taking a shot to get the scoop and be first with a story than a report from someone with concrete knowledge of an impending trade.

I don't dismiss the possibility of a trade. I think it's always been there but I haven't seen a report on Harvin in months that didn't reek of uncertainty or speculation. Either all of these reporters are inexplicably sitting on the evidence for a big story or they've got nothing more than what we've known since about mid-December.

The situation remains the same: the Vikings control Harvin's fate. He's under contract. Whether they keep him or trade him is up to them.

[CalVike]

I think it says what happened...and what some people refuse to believe.

You could be right, plenty of anonymously sourced smoke. It's interesting your position, Demi. GM Rick Spielman said nothing of substance about Percy Harvin in a radio appearance on Friday on KFAN but he did say this about Christian Ponder regarding next season, "Christian Ponder is our quarterback."

One outburst by Harvin against Leslie Frazier is known, Seattle game. The second alleged tirade came in the few days following the first Packer game, the game that concluded Ponder's brutal stretch of the season with throwing the game away with the INT across his body to the end zone. It is quite possible Harvin's anger was about poor QB play and acceptance without accountability by the coaches.

All the allegations, if proven out in the next couple months, mean IMHO the team is dumping their second best player to create the supportive environment for Christian Ponder that Coach Frazier seems to think is critical to team chemistry and on-the-field success. I don't buy that you can win in the NFL without tolerating a few obnoxious difference makers at the talent level of Percy Harvin. The team paid dearly on a talent level when they traded Randy Moss after winning a playoff game in Green Bay in 2004. The same will be true if they dump the young superstar that is Percy Harvin.

All that said, I am with Jim, let's be done with this matter, the sooner the better.

#turnoffbrokenrecord

[Mothman]

You could be right, plenty of anonymously sourced smoke. It's interesting your position, Demi. GM Rick Spielman said nothing of substance about Percy Harvin in a radio appearance on Friday on KFAN but he did say this about Christian Ponder regarding next season, "Christian Ponder is our quarterback."

One outburst by Harvin against Leslie Frazier is known, Seattle game. The second alleged tirade came in the few days following the first Packer game, the game that concluded Ponder's brutal stretch of the season with throwing the game away with the INT across his body to the end zone. It is quite possible Harvin's anger was about poor QB play and acceptance without accountability by the coaches.

It's possible but I'm not sure about the timeline you mention above (and how do we know that Ponder had acceptance without accountability by the coaches? I find that hard to believe). Did you read somewhere that the tirade specifically came after that Packer game? My reason for asking is that Harvin was placed on IR on Wednesday, December 5th, just a few days after that game. If the tirade occurred after the game in GB then it seems far more likely to me that it involved Harvin being unhappy with the decision that he would be placed on IR. What reason do we have to think it had any connection with Ponder?

All the allegations, if proven out in the next couple months, mean IMHO the team is dumping their second best player to create the supportive environment for Christian Ponder that Coach Frazier seems to think is critical to team chemistry and on-the-field success. I don't buy that you can win in the NFL without tolerating a few obnoxious difference makers at the talent level of Percy Harvin. The team paid dearly on a talent level when they traded Randy Moss after winning a playoff game in Green Bay in 2004. The same will be true if they dump the young superstar that is Percy Harvin.

I think that depends on what they get for him if they trade him and what they do with the money he would likely receive if he signs a contract extension. After all, the Vikings were able to win their final 4 games of the regular season without him. If Harvin is truly unhappy, if he doesn't want to play for the Vikings, re-signing him could be problematic and slapping the franchise tag on him could be even more problematic. I don't buy that Harvin is a "cancer" but if he really wants to play elsewhere, he could certainly develop into one if he ends up at odds with the team for a prolonged period of time. IF he's traded, I doubt it will have much to do with creating a supportive environment for Christian Ponder. I suspect it will have everything to do with money and team unity.