Just go long at the long list. Boston, Berrian, Walker, Houshmandzadeh, Harper, etc.
None of them have ever had the success Cruz has had his two years. Guys like Cruz don't hit free agency, and he probably won't.
I also think I read they got rid of the 1st and 3rd and it's a 1st now. He also doesn't seem to have any of the issues Bowe/Wallace have had with mental lapses. Will cost a similar amount (If Giants don't match which they could probably easily do)
If you can get a prove 1000 yard outside receiver for a 1st it seems like a no brainer, especially one that young. There's quite a few reasons we won't even have a shot at him though, but I think it'd be a great move to at least give him an offer sheet if it makes it that far. We desperately need a receiver whether Harvin returns or not, and this is the best option of any possible free agents or draft pick. And the contract would end up being paid to any of those free agents...and the draft pick in 3 years if they ever come close to what Cruz is capable of.
Cruz played at a small college, Umass and was not invited to the draft combine and was not even drafted. He is barely 6-0 (some list him at 5-11) he has good hands and decent speed. If the Giants would take the Vike's 23rd pick in the first round then I might go for the deal. Still giving up a 1st and paying RFA type money is pretty costly. If it were last year I would not have given up a #3 or 4 pick for him though. And if it meant not paying Harvin (because of cap space lost) I would not consider it.
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Purple bruise wrote:Cruz played at a small college, Umass and was not invited to the draft combine and was not even drafted. He is barely 6-0 (some list him at 5-11) he has good hands and decent speed.
funny how that works huh? cruz has one inch and 20 pounds on harvin. he runs a 4.47 and is two years older. harvin is an inch shorter but faster and more versatile. yet cruz is a huge deep threat and harvin is nothing more than a small slot receiver.
and what is funny is if we had cruz and harvin was with the giants we'd all find reasons not to like cruz and want to sign harvin.
fwiw i love cruz and would love to see him in purple. i just find it funny peoples interpretations of the same players and how different they can be.
unny how that works huh? cruz has one inch and 20 pounds on harvin. he runs a 4.47 and is two years older. harvin is an inch shorter but faster and more versatile. yet cruz is a huge deep threat and harvin is nothing more than a small slot receiver.
It has nothing to do with size...there skill sets are completely different...Harvin gets snaps outside he's completely lost and can't even run half the routes he's asked to properly, Cruz can do anything you ask him to from any spot...
Demi wrote:
It has nothing to do with size...there skill sets are completely different...Harvin gets snaps outside he's completely lost and can't even run half the routes he's asked to properly, Cruz can do anything you ask him to from any spot...
first, the irony of you saying "it has nothing to do with size" is not lost on me.
i'm simply playing devils advocate here. i love cruz. but for a LOT of people, they say harvin can't be a "#1 receiver" because he's short and more suited to be in the slot. people act like you have to be 6-4 to be considered a number one receiver in the nfl which i think cruz has proved very wrong.
i have not heard anything in regards to harvins route running. i'll have to look into it a little bit. although, maybe it is possib;e that he's good at routes, but because he's plagued with a 6-2 midget qb with a noodle arm he's foced to improvise to get the ball.
I'm pretty sure Cruz lined up in the slot for the Giants the past 2 years with Nicks being the outside threat, so idk if he'd compliment our offense as well as Bowe or Wallace.
vikeinmontana wrote:
first, the irony of you saying "it has nothing to do with size" is not lost on me.
i'm simply playing devils advocate here. i love cruz. but for a LOT of people, they say harvin can't be a "#1 receiver" because he's short and more suited to be in the slot. people act like you have to be 6-4 to be considered a number one receiver in the nfl which i think cruz has proved very wrong.
i have not heard anything in regards to harvins route running. i'll have to look into it a little bit. although, maybe it is possib;e that he's good at routes, but because he's plagued with a 6-2 midget qb with a noodle arm he's foced to improvise to get the ball.
just having fun...
I remember we tried Harvin on the outside a couple years back and he was pretty bad at it. He didn't start contributing again until he moved back to primarily slot and out of the backfield.
Pepper2Moss wrote:I'm pretty sure Cruz lined up in the slot for the Giants the past 2 years with Nicks being the outside threat, so idk if he'd compliment our offense as well as Bowe or Wallace.
Cruz has lined up at X and Slot I believe. Not sure if they've had him at Z, they seem to put in Nicks' backups there. Cruz is pretty consistently a deep threat as well though not just short routes.
My only problem with Bowe or Wallace is they are a bit of character concerns, would be happy to land either of them as well.
lyzarde wrote:I'd take Cruz and let Harvin walk if it came down to that.
Cruz is a pretty high character guy too which is never a bad thing.
I will tell you my opinion. If I were a GM and had to choose between Cruz or Harvin there would be no choice. Harvin going away. Harvin was being touted by many as being the BEST overall offensive threat in the NFL. I totally agree with that assesment. Harvin can return kicks (better than anyone in the league) has great hands, moves and strength. I am not discounting Cruz' ability or upside but he pales in comparison to what Harvin brings to the game. Character issues? I think not. In fact he is a saint compared to what Randy Moss was and there are still some fans wanting him back on the team. Most of this crap is media speculation. I think that Harvin will extend his contract beyond next year and if he does'nt then they can/will slap a franchize tag on him and keep him for one more year.
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Giants have him tendered for a 1st round pick (or they will if they haven't), which means he's not going anywhere. No team, much less the Vikes, is going to give up a 1st and a huge contract for a WR no matter how talented he might be. Even if Harvin weren't in this equation, I cannot see Spielman sitting in his office believing in the Herschel Walker tooth fairy deal as the next step to getting the Vikes back to serious contention. But with Harvin in the picture, the cost for Cruz becomes clear - not only a 1st, but a deal along the lines Harvin is going to command. So if you can sign Harvin for just the deal part of that and keep your first, which you need to help restock other areas of your team, which one do you do? Next question...
It's really interesting to read that Harvin "fakes injuries" and doesn't run routes correctly. I realize some people don't like Harvin, but upon what are claims like those based? Dude does nothing but produce when he's on the field and he's lambasted as some half-a$$ser malcontent who doesn't even do his job correctly. I don't get that. There is no way Harvin could be productive if he fit the profile some of you are attempting to paint based on nothing other than opinion.
vikeinmontana wrote:
first, the irony of you saying "it has nothing to do with size" is not lost on me.
i'm simply playing devils advocate here. i love cruz. but for a LOT of people, they say harvin can't be a "#1 receiver" because he's short and more suited to be in the slot. people act like you have to be 6-4 to be considered a number one receiver in the nfl which i think cruz has proved very wrong.
i have not heard anything in regards to harvins route running. i'll have to look into it a little bit. although, maybe it is possib;e that he's good at routes, but because he's plagued with a 6-2 midget qb with a noodle arm he's foced to improvise to get the ball.
just having fun...
I could not agree any more
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Boon wrote:
When harvin walks and we get nothing , we'll see how the mood of these convos changes. Sure you can franchise him and whatnot. My money lies in him faking injuries because he doesn't want to play, risk getting hurt. Cruz would cost alot, sure, but i'll tell you what, getting a receiver of that caliber would put the argument that ponder has no deep weapons or route runners 6 feet in a grave.
I say go draft regardless, but the argument that we shouldn't sign cruz over harvin is a bit much in my opinion. Not even the same type of receiver. Cruz is EXACTLY the type of receiver that people have been clamoring for. He's aggressive, fast, has decent hands, can run routes well, over the middle, deep, doesn't matter. The definition of a true #1 wideout (giants have 2 of those btw) and the same people saying harvin isn't want to keep harvin and not sign cruz? That doesn't make any sense. Harvin isn't gonna get paid because he doesn't want to. His agent is going to come up with some bogus offer the vikings will not pay and then he'll jump ship and play for less somewhere else and we'll get stuck with nothing when we could have had some picks for him.
Harvin won't simply walk away. The Vikes can slap a franchize tag on him after his contract is up this yeart and secure his services for one more year. They then could trade him during that second year under the franchize tag and be handsomely compensated for it.. In essence, they will have his services for the next two years.
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This seems like a silly idea. Cruz is 6 feet tall. We already have both JW and PH who can fill those duties. What they need is a big body guy with some height and hands. Cruz is no doubt a top player right now, but he just doesn’t fit into what the Vikings need.
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