Ponder's run

[Orion]

Come on people, what does this have to do with Ponder's run?

Refs missed that penalty, which was the point of your post.

[PurpleMustReign]

Refs missed that penalty, which was the point of your post.

Oh.. I see. Sorry...

[DanAS]

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Dan, I have respected your posts since the day I came to this board. However, this response irks me a little because you didn't even address my question a.k.a. the reason I wrote the thread. There are plenty of other threads for you to voice your displeasure of Ponder.

I wasn't trying to hijack the thread. I was simply saying that those of us who don't want Ponder as QB aren't so delusional or full of hatred that we refuse to give him credit for making a great run. There was a line that you threw in that I guess I took as a slap against those of us in that camp, and I responded to it. I didn't take it personally, and I didn't respond with a personal attack. I simply was making the point that Ponder criticism is fair game, but of course it can't reasonably include denying that he made a great play on that first TD.

If you were trying to have a thread that is void of debates about what kind of overall QB he is, then you shouldn't have included that comment about how some will knock even that run. (Or maybe I misread that statement). That said, if I had realized that you were trying to have a thread that is void of debates about what kind of overall QB he is, then I wouldn't have mentioned that other stuff ... I would have complied with your wish. Because as I said above, I honestly wasn't trying to hijack the thread. And I do, in fact, think that he is nifty with his feet. So I apologize if I misread your point, or your language.

[Rus]

Wow Danas way to completely hijack the thread on the very next post from origin

Blah blah blah, Dan was from the original usenet group. He's allowed some liberties.

I happen to be one that thinks the team would be smarter to invest one more year into Ponder as a starter, BTW, and bring in some competition. This next offseason just sucks no matter how you look at it for quarterbacks. I don't see any guaranteed upgrades. But no, Dan has the right to go there.

On topic, I was frankly amazed to see Ponder evade that Rams DE who should have had him on the ground on that TD run. It was like he suddenly greased himself up and just slid away. Ponder was efficient, especially when he targeted his ends early on. The WRs were useless, unable to get open, unable to get into their routes, just lousy. Other than Wright, the rest of that group is just flotsam. I won't shed a tear if any of them are shown the door after the season ends. If they're going to invest another year into Ponder, they should see if he's any better with different wide receivers.

[Purple bruise]

Blah blah blah, Dan was from the original usenet group. He's allowed some liberties.

I happen to be one that thinks the team would be smarter to invest one more year into Ponder as a starter, BTW, and bring in some competition. This next offseason just sucks no matter how you look at it for quarterbacks. I don't see any guaranteed upgrades. But no, Dan has the right to go there.

On topic, I was frankly amazed to see Ponder evade that Rams DE who should have had him on the ground on that TD run. It was like he suddenly greased himself up and just slid away. Ponder was efficient, especially when he targeted his ends early on. The WRs were useless, unable to get open, unable to get into their routes, just lousy. Other than Wright, the rest of that group is just flotsam. I won't shed a tear if any of them are shown the door after the season ends. If they're going to invest another year into Ponder, they should see if he's any better with different wide receivers.

Totally agree and can't overstate the fact that these are maybe the worst corp of receivers, collectively, that I can remember seeing on any NFL team. What a blow for this team to have lost Harvin and what an asset he would be right now when the Vikes are fighting for a play-off spot.

Back on topic and having rewatched the play I would say this, it was a great atheletic move to avoid the sure sack and the way that they are calling penalties relating to hits on QB's then I was surprized that they did not call a penalty but not shocked.

[jackal]

It was a great play .. I was happy to see Ponder play much better today ..

The wide outs played better, shoot even Carlson caught a few balls today..

I like Ponder, but he has to learn the NFL speed a little better.. I have been saying since
day one Ponder reminds me a lot of Steve Young .. That TD run was just like a play Steve Young
would have made for SF late eighties. if Ponder turns out to be half as good as Steve Young we
will finally get a Super Bowl victory

[jackal]

Dan wrote,

I wasn't trying to hijack the thread. I was simply saying that those of us who don't want Ponder as QB aren't so delusional or full of hatred that we refuse to give him credit for making a great run. There was a line that you threw in that I guess I took as a slap against those of us in that camp, and I responded to it. I didn't take it personally, and I didn't respond with a personal attack. I simply was making the point that Ponder criticism is fair game, but of course it can't reasonably include denying that he made a great play on that first TD.

If you were trying to have a thread that is void of debates about what kind of overall QB he is, then you shouldn't have included that comment about how some will knock even that run. (Or maybe I misread that statement). That said, if I had realized that you were trying to have a thread that is void of debates about what kind of overall QB he is, then I wouldn't have mentioned that other stuff ... I would have complied with your wish. Because as I said above, I honestly wasn't trying to hijack the thread. And I do, in fact, think that he is nifty with his feet. So I apologize if I misread your point, or your language.

Don't worry Dan, we know you were not doing that. I have a ton of respect for you as Vikings fan and a person ...

[yezzir]

It was a great play .. I was happy to see Ponder play much better today ..

The wide outs played better, shoot even Carlson caught a few balls today..

I like Ponder, but he has to learn the NFL speed a little better.. I have been saying since
day one Ponder reminds me a lot of Steve Young .. That TD run was just like a play Steve Young
would have made for SF late eighties. if Ponder turns out to be half as good as Steve Young we
will finally get a Super Bowl victory

Ummmmmm. Yes. If he turns out to be Steve Young ojr chances are better. Also, if Jarius Wright becomes just as good as Jerry Rice, the. We have an ever better chance.

[PurpleKoolaid]

There is no reason to deny that was a great play, just like there's no reason to deny that Joe Webb can make many great runs.

Ponder's best asset is his legs. Today, though, the most significant stat for Ponder wasn't the 1 rushing TD but the 0 turnovers. He came close a couple of times but at the end of the day, he had 0. And that is critical if this time is going to compete without a productive passing game.

The criticism against Ponder is not an argument that the Vikes are incapable of ever making the playoffs with him, but an argument that he isn't going to allow them to contend for a Title. That, of course, can also be said (presumably) for Webb. But on any given day, the team can win with either, and it was nice to see them score 36 points despite having only 130 yards passing.

They said the same thing about Tjoke. Where is he now? 3rd string in Buffalo i think. Who would think people base how good a QB is on not turning a ball over, and not his passing game. He can move, but not even as good as Big ben who can run around the pocket till someone does get open. Did you see Cousins, a rookie play? I could go on but this horse has been beat to a pulp. Ponder sucks. He makes us worse, not better.

[Eli]

That was a wasted challenge. Even it was a pass and not a fumble it was a pass that went backwards, thus making it a lateral and a fumble basically anyway.

There's no such thing as a pass that goes backward. If it was a pass, it was incomplete. If not, it was a fumble.

[CalVike]

My question is, how could they not have called a 15 yard blow to the head on the Rams defender?

I saw the 2nd half live & first half just now on game rewind. I saw no blow to the head on the TD run by Ponder, watching it just now.

[Demi]

There was however one or two missed blows to the head against the Rams...

As far as his great play...man is it depressing watching Cousins, Wilson, Dalton, Kaepernick succeed and we get the short end of the straw again. The Redskins have two rookies better than any QB on our roster.

[Mothman]

There's no such thing as a pass that goes backward. If it was a pass, it was incomplete. If not, it was a fumble.

That's incorrect:

http://www.nfl.com/rulebook/backwardpass

Backward Pass
Any pass not forward is regarded as a backward pass. A pass parallel to the line is a backward pass. A runner may pass backward at any time.
A backward pass that strikes the ground can be recovered and advanced by either team.
A backward pass caught in the air can be advanced by either team.
A backward pass in flight may not be batted forward by an offensive player.

[Reignman]

I'm not going to say it was a pretty run, but it was a big play. Huge. If the Vikings settle for the FG there, it could've change the tone of the game. As for the blow to the head, I don't see it.

On his TD run? How could you miss it? He ducked avoiding a sack and took a forearm to the head. In fact the defender nearly took his head off. Then he scampered and dove into the EZ. You could say he ducked into it, but that never seemed to matter in the past when opposing QB's ducked into a forearm of one of our defenders. We scored though so it didn't matter.