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Don't make no sense
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The Breeze wrote:Don't make no sense
Suicide never does. :( To bad he just didnt reach out to someone and get himself some help. Hopefully soome good can come out of all of this. Maybe someone sees this and decides to get help, or someone sees this and gets a famnily member or a friend help.
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So sad when I heard the news. Loved watching him play, and a classy guy on the field to boot. This is a violent game, and if the stories bear out and chronic brain trauma issues are playing a part in this, as with Dave Duerson, there will probably be some serious ramifications. When two or more guys are playing full speed and hitting with the equivalent of 100+ Gs of force, something has to give...
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Angels Wings wrote:this was a selfish and cowardly act by Junior. Not only does he leave behind a grieving mother, but he also leaves 3 children without a father. I believe that he took the cowards way out of whatever he was going through and an act like taking your own life is not rewarded with "resting in peace"...
That assessment is a little harsh. You can never truly understand what is going on in the mind of a suicidal person. Logic and reason don't really apply. From our own perspectives it doesn't make sense, but on some level it made sense to Seau (even if he realized it was wrong). I'm definitely not condoning it, but I don't consider ending your own life cowardly. It takes some serious guts to turn a gun on yourself, especially considering that he shot himself in the chest (which can be a slow agonizing death) rather than the head. That fact tells me that he did it because he saw himself as a hopeless case and wanted to preserve his brain for concussion study. Maybe he saw it as a way to help future NFL players? We'll never know.

Ugh, nasty topic. Takes the mind to some dark places.
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HornedMessiah wrote: That assessment is a little harsh. You can never truly understand what is going on in the mind of a suicidal person. Logic and reason don't really apply. From our own perspectives it doesn't make sense, but on some level it made sense to Seau (even if he realized it was wrong). I'm definitely not condoning it, but I don't consider ending your own life cowardly. It takes some serious guts to turn a gun on yourself, especially considering that he shot himself in the chest (which can be a slow agonizing death) rather than the head. That fact tells me that he did it because he saw himself as a hopeless case and wanted to preserve his brain for concussion study. Maybe he saw it as a way to help future NFL players? We'll never know.

Ugh, nasty topic. Takes the mind to some dark places.
I hear you, but in Junior's case, it was calculated in my opinion thus my response to the situation. Football players know the rules of engagement and know of the dangers of what is for all intents and purposes a collision sport; so forgive my lack of sympathy.

Even the Dave Duerson case has no sympathy for me either. Investigators called that case "the most organized suicide" that they ever saw. There were notes and charts and all sorts of information they found at his place.

I had a friend from high school commit suicide, and trust me I didn't go to his funeral after understanding why he did(couldn't find a job apparently)...
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a coward cant face life and deal with the cards he is dealt. cant even say goodbye too his loved ones ? sad. he was a great player, sounds like he was a very good person, father, and son. :confused:
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He is selfish.He caused alot of pain to alot of family and fans.Tarnishing football.Have you ever herd the saying its not how you start its how you finish.well he did not finish he quit.setting bad examples for the youth and people in hard times.Im sorry but when your blessed with the oppertunity like he was there know reson to quit. :nono: go vikings........
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Bigdaddy420 wrote:He is selfish.He caused alot of pain to alot of family and fans.Tarnishing football.Have you ever herd the saying its not how you start its how you finish.well he did not finish he quit.setting bad examples for the youth and people in hard times.Im sorry but when your blessed with the oppertunity like he was there know reson to quit. :nono: go vikings........
You don't know his personal situation however. I don't condone suicide but i don't think people can really understand the situation until there in that situation themselves. That's me included as well. I doubt Tarnishing football is fair to blame him with, he was obv going through some #### that we will never know about. I don't think selfishness comes into it.
Sad, he was a great player and seemed like a great guy.

Imo this does show something I mean suicides are really on the rise and its quite shocking to see some. People leaving familys etc behind, I can't even imagine what it must be like to be in that situation. It's a sad state of affairs, mental health is something I feel personally is a taboo most people don't want to talk about and its the one illness where the best thing to do is talk about it.
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how can you not face life and take the easy way out ? many people suffer with cancer, starvation, mental illness, chronic health problems and disabilties and have more balls. coward imo.
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hibbingviking wrote:how can you not face life and take the easy way out ? many people suffer with cancer, starvation, mental illness, chronic health problems and disabilties and have more balls. coward imo.
You've never been in that situation. Before you say something like that, live in their shoes. You obviously don't understand what it is like to have a mental illness. I almost lost a friend to suicide (it was an attempt that thankfully failed), and it brought a whole new perspective for me about someone with any mental disease (and any other disease really). To that person their brain isn't working correctly. They can't control it.
Your response is akin to telling Mohamed Ali to stop shaking. You don't know what it's like.
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imagine yourself in a deep bit with cold sandy walls .. you try and pull yourself out ..

you know you will starve or die of thirst if you don't get out soon.

The more you try to pull yourself out .. the more the sand comes down on you ...

that's is what depression is like
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PurpleMustReign wrote: You've never been in that situation. Before you say something like that, live in their shoes. You obviously don't understand what it is like to have a mental illness. I almost lost a friend to suicide (it was an attempt that thankfully failed), and it brought a whole new perspective for me about someone with any mental disease (and any other disease really). To that person their brain isn't working correctly. They can't control it.
Your response is akin to telling Mohamed Ali to stop shaking. You don't know what it's like.
there is no evidence seau had a mental illness. who knows why he did what he did. i have a friend that is severly bipolar and never attempted suicide. my mom had cancer and never attempted suicide. :confused:
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hibbingviking wrote:how can you not face life and take the easy way out ? many people suffer with cancer, starvation, mental illness, chronic health problems and disabilties and have more balls. coward imo.
You definitely have balls calling someone who killed himself a coward. :roll:
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jackal wrote:imagine yourself in a deep bit with cold sandy walls .. you try and pull yourself out ..

you know you will starve or die of thirst if you don't get out soon.

The more you try to pull yourself out .. the more the sand comes down on you ...

that's is what depression is like

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hibbingviking wrote:there is no evidence seau had a mental illness
Have you been paying any attention whatsoever to the brain research that's been going on the last couple of years? It will be shocking if Seau did not have the same brain damage that numerous other deceased players have been found to have.
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