A-Rod now tarnished forever

[Hunter Morrow]

I kind of thought so, but was hoping for a work around on that.
Do you think the NBA, the NHL, and the NFL have lists similar to this one?

[Hunter Morrow]

Another point to think about, if you asterisk these records whose records don't get asterisked?
Do you slap an asterisk on Ruth for being in the Whites Only League? What about anybody that ever feasted on expansion pitching(Aaron), took greenies by the fistful(Oh, every other guy from the 70s on, especially closers), spanked balls out of the park in hitter friendly ballparks(Griffey Junior, Sosa, McGwire) used technically legal chemicals that were very plainly similar to or in fact steroids and subsequently banned by MLB and the federal government(McGwire and others on andro, creatine, and other other supplements, anybody who used so much of a drop of "the clear").
And so on and so forth.
Baseball is pretty easily the dirtiest sport going. Maybe every record should be treated guilty until proven innocent? Shoot, should we start calling it Cooperstown*?

[Hunter Morrow]

Another thing to think about:With a list of 104 that means its a safe assumption that 1 out of every 20 or so players got busted for steroids or amphetamines. Next time I watch a Twins game, man, I'll be wondering. Somebody on that team, almost any team was, is, or will become a user.

[Demi]

Do you slap an asterisk on Ruth for being in the Whites Only League? What about anybody that ever feasted on expansion pitching(Aaron), took greenies by the fistful(Oh, every other guy from the 70s on, especially closers), spanked balls out of the park in hitter friendly ballparks(Griffey Junior, Sosa, McGwire) used technically legal chemicals that were very plainly similar to or in fact steroids and subsequently banned by MLB and the federal government(McGwire and others on andro, creatine, and other other supplements, anybody who used so much of a drop of "the clear").

The difference is Steroids were illegal WHILE these guys were using them. the federal government never had a law about expansion pitching, small ball parks, etc. And we don't have a big issue with high school kids taking greenies by the fistful, or having health issues because of creatine.

My idea...wasn't there a minnesota basketball team, college, that has a year that doesn't exist according to the record book? Wipe the cheaters records right out of existence. Bonds? Bonds who?

[Hunter Morrow]

Thats all fine and dandy until you consider the sheer volume of games that a baseball player is in.
Bonds alone played 22 seasons and played in nearly 3000 games! Just Bonds himself had close to 10,000 at bats.That is the equivalent of a little over 187 seasons of pro football. You want to expunge all of that just for one player and it would be an enormous task, much less all 104 steroiders and who knows how many amphetamine users. Just think of all the at-bats that would get chucked. Bonds himself has very close to 10,000!
It'd be absolute chaos.
What about pitchers notorious for physically cheating, like Perry? Should they get kicked out?
Should anybody who ever stole a sign be barred from Cooperstown?

[jackal]

baseball is surpassed only by the NBA in lack or credability or self respect.

I don't watch either anymore

[Hunter Morrow]

Basketball just has criminals. Also, the only drug they ever pop for is weed and unless the NBA starts taping Butterfingers and Funyuns bags to the backboard I don't really think thats a performance enhancer.

[glg]

Do you think the NBA, the NHL, and the NFL have lists similar to this one?

No. The only reason such a list is still in existance is the stupidity of the MLBPA.

So, for the 2003 season, the union and MLB agreed to anonymous random testing to see how many players would come up positive. If more then 5% of players came up positive (which happened), then a full testing program would be implemented in 2004. MLB held up their end and destroyed the list. MLBPA, however, was trying to figure out if they could challenge enough of the positives to get the number under 5% and prevent testing from going into effect. This was ludicrously stupid to begin with, as this was when the hearings before Congress were happening, etc, so the idea of not having a testing program was already ludicrous. However, the union appears to be run by arrogant ####, so they were still trying to avoid testing. Then, BALCO was raided and the union got a subpeona from the feds, so the list is now sealed in court files and while unlikely to be ever released, it's also unlikely to ever be completely destroyed. Had the union not been morons, they would have destroyed the list right away and this never would have happened.

At this point, any current player who thinks his name might be on the list has to seriously consider just coming out and admitting it, take the heat, and hope for Pettitte-style forgiveness.

[Demi]

Basketball just has criminals. Also, the only drug they ever pop for is weed and unless the NBA starts taping Butterfingers and Funyuns bags to the backboard I don't really think thats a performance enhancer.

And their refs for fixing game...

[Hunter Morrow]

My friend has this crazy conspiracy. He says basketball's NBA Finals are too perfect, they always have a big market team or their most marketable star player. When Detroit/San Antonio happened and was a disaster he said things would be "worked to the max" and "Hey man, don't just expect Celtics/Lakers, count on it!".
And all this time I thought his brain consisted of nothing but malted hops and bong resin. Maybe he was onto something?
MAJORLY OFF TOPIC
I feel football is more worked than basketball. One call in football can change the entire game, its so much easier to tamper with.
Though when the Heat won it and people got fouls called against them for muttering about Wade under their breath and the Sacramento/L.A. series did get me thinking that something fishy was going on.

[Hunter Morrow]

I feel that for the most part baseball is well officiated, though poorly promoted, managed and policed up.
An article about the NBA, pretty interesting...
http://revcom.us/a/133/NBA_referee.html

Tim Donaghy, the NBA referee who has pled guilty to gambling on basketball games he refereed, alleged, through his attorney this past week, that he was told that referees who officiated the sixth game of a seven-game playoff series in 2002 called made-up fouls on the team leading the series in order to add an extra game to the series. Donaghy also said that the foul calling led to the ejection of two players on the team leading the series.

Even though he did not state what teams were involved, it is not hard to deduce that he is referring to Game 6 of the Los Angeles Lakers-Sacramento Kings playoff series in 2002. The Kings were leading the series 3-2 and would have won the series in Game 6, but the Lakers were awarded an incredible 27 free throw shots in the fourth quarter, and two of Sacramento’s centers were ejected from the game for six fouls, which led to Sacramento’s defeat, forcing a seventh game, which was won by the Lakers. In addition, at the end of the game a foul was called against Mike Bibby of the Kings after he was shoved and elbowed by Kobe Bryant of the Lakers. This foul call took away an opportunity for the Kings to try for a tying basket.