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Man, I don't know how you can make any judgement on a head coach when his QB is playing as poorly as he was. When your QB can't complete passes on simple screen plays (there were three designed screens where he either threw a bad pass, or just refused to throw the football) what plays can you call besides just run it on 1st, 2nd and 3rd down?

Sure he could have gone to Mullens, but anyone who says Nick Mullens had a shot at winning us a playoff game is either dumb or liar.
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StumpHunter wrote: Thu Jan 16, 2025 11:55 am Man, I don't know how you can make any judgement on a head coach when his QB is playing as poorly as he was. When your QB can't complete passes on simple screen plays (there were three designed screens where he either threw a bad pass, or just refused to throw the football) what plays can you call besides just run it on 1st, 2nd and 3rd down?

Sure he could have gone to Mullens, but anyone who says Nick Mullens had a shot at winning us a playoff game is either dumb or liar.
I was calling for Mullens, did I think he could win us the game? No. But like you mentioned when you can’t complete screen passes or refuse to throw them when they’re open what can you head coach possible do? The only adjustment that can be made at that point is switching the qb. Anyone who thinks differently is dumb.
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allday1991 wrote: Thu Jan 16, 2025 3:53 pm
StumpHunter wrote: Thu Jan 16, 2025 11:55 am Man, I don't know how you can make any judgement on a head coach when his QB is playing as poorly as he was. When your QB can't complete passes on simple screen plays (there were three designed screens where he either threw a bad pass, or just refused to throw the football) what plays can you call besides just run it on 1st, 2nd and 3rd down?

Sure he could have gone to Mullens, but anyone who says Nick Mullens had a shot at winning us a playoff game is either dumb or liar.
I was calling for Mullens, did I think he could win us the game? No. But like you mentioned when you can’t complete screen passes or refuse to throw them when they’re open what can you head coach possible do? The only adjustment that can be made at that point is switching the qb. Anyone who thinks differently is dumb.
I thought he hit his first 9 or 11 passes. Our 1st drive was stopped when it was -1 yard run then O'Neil who was abused all day allowed a sack. O'Neil needed help this game and KOC did nothing. That's a change that was never
done. Bring Mute in to help. Then we drive down and ignored the 4th down chance. We were rolling go for it. The 4th down we did go Jetts slipped on the rout so Sammy reloaded and then sack. That's what I saw. If we can get picks for KOC get them because we need them. Promote Phillips and tell him to install Gibbs H Back offense. That's max protect deep passing with a solid ground game. Darnold can throw deep balls anywhere. Plus we will have our own offense instead of the Rams. Rebuild that junk OL. Also tell Kewsi to go. Make Brez the GM. That's my dream so it won't happen. Next year again with a soft older team that can't hang with the big dogs.
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allday1991 wrote: Thu Jan 16, 2025 3:53 pm
StumpHunter wrote: Thu Jan 16, 2025 11:55 am Man, I don't know how you can make any judgement on a head coach when his QB is playing as poorly as he was. When your QB can't complete passes on simple screen plays (there were three designed screens where he either threw a bad pass, or just refused to throw the football) what plays can you call besides just run it on 1st, 2nd and 3rd down?

Sure he could have gone to Mullens, but anyone who says Nick Mullens had a shot at winning us a playoff game is either dumb or liar.
I was calling for Mullens, did I think he could win us the game? No. But like you mentioned when you can’t complete screen passes or refuse to throw them when they’re open what can you head coach possible do? The only adjustment that can be made at that point is switching the qb. Anyone who thinks differently is dumb.
In hindsight Mullens couldn't have done any worse, but at the time, I would argue the odds were a little better Darnold would turn things around than a QB who was 0-3 with us last season would.
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CharVike wrote: Thu Jan 16, 2025 5:37 pm I thought he hit his first 9 or 11 passes. Our 1st drive was stopped when it was -1 yard run then O'Neil who was abused all day allowed a sack. O'Neil needed help this game and KOC did nothing. That's a change that was never
done. Bring Mute in to help. Then we drive down and ignored the 4th down chance. We were rolling go for it. The 4th down we did go Jetts slipped on the rout so Sammy reloaded and then sack. That's what I saw. If we can get picks for KOC get them because we need them. Promote Phillips and tell him to install Gibbs H Back offense. That's max protect deep passing with a solid ground game. Darnold can throw deep balls anywhere. Plus we will have our own offense instead of the Rams. Rebuild that junk OL. Also tell Kewsi to go. Make Brez the GM. That's my dream so it won't happen. Next year again with a soft older team that can't hang with the big dogs.
Sam Darnold couldn't throw simple screens in the biggest two games of the season and you want him back, but KOC didn't go for it on 4th and 2 and he should be traded away?

Makes sense.
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StumpHunter wrote: Thu Jan 16, 2025 9:04 pm
CharVike wrote: Thu Jan 16, 2025 5:37 pm I thought he hit his first 9 or 11 passes. Our 1st drive was stopped when it was -1 yard run then O'Neil who was abused all day allowed a sack. O'Neil needed help this game and KOC did nothing. That's a change that was never
done. Bring Mute in to help. Then we drive down and ignored the 4th down chance. We were rolling go for it. The 4th down we did go Jetts slipped on the rout so Sammy reloaded and then sack. That's what I saw. If we can get picks for KOC get them because we need them. Promote Phillips and tell him to install Gibbs H Back offense. That's max protect deep passing with a solid ground game. Darnold can throw deep balls anywhere. Plus we will have our own offense instead of the Rams. Rebuild that junk OL. Also tell Kewsi to go. Make Brez the GM. That's my dream so it won't happen. Next year again with a soft older team that can't hang with the big dogs.
Sam Darnold couldn't throw simple screens in the biggest two games of the season and you want him back, but KOC didn't go for it on 4th and 2 and he should be traded away?

Makes sense.
Just my thoughts. Against the Lions Ginkel missed a pick 6 when he jumped a check down route that Goff threw. He choked but that's how teams get beat, They don't make plays when needed, Darnold threw a bad pass to Akers that he caught to seal the Packer win. Akers made a great catch on a bad ball. That's how you win picking others up. Darnold had bad moments all year. I liked watching him play. No more than that. Others it's opposite. I'm ok with that. I would take a bunch of high picks for KOC. But I think that's just rumors. When your 0-2 in the playoffs I don't think your a hot item yet. Excuses won't cover that. If they tell Sammy see ya I'll survive and we might win it all next year because of that.
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Well the NFC North star QBs both chocked in the playoffs. Looks like Goff and Love have the same problem Sammy does. Lights too bright. Daniels actually looked great. But he looks frail to me but he played every game. Washington's secondary has some guys that break on the ball. Great playing speed. They even lost a guard and plug some guy in and It wasn't even noticed. I thought their OL was a joke. They opened some nice running lanes. I don't know what KAM will do but he should try and get something for Sam. No sense in letting these teams with nothing at QB have him for free. Most of those teams have a bunch of cap. They can handle the hit and have a guy that can play in the regular season until they find their Mahomes.
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CharVike wrote: Sun Jan 19, 2025 8:33 am Well the NFC North star QBs both chocked in the playoffs. Looks like Goff and Love have the same problem Sammy does. Lights too bright. Daniels actually looked great. But he looks frail to me but he played every game. Washington's secondary has some guys that break on the ball. Great playing speed. They even lost a guard and plug some guy in and It wasn't even noticed. I thought their OL was a joke. They opened some nice running lanes. I don't know what KAM will do but he should try and get something for Sam. No sense in letting these teams with nothing at QB have him for free. Most of those teams have a bunch of cap. They can handle the hit and have a guy that can play in the regular season until they find their Mahomes.
Darnold would have had to completely balled out in the playoffs to get anything in a tag and trade. As it stands now, some team will give him a similar deal to the one Jimmy G got from the Raiders, but that is about it
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CharVike wrote: Sun Jan 19, 2025 8:33 am Well the NFC North star QBs both chocked in the playoffs. Looks like Goff and Love have the same problem Sammy does. Lights too bright. Daniels actually looked great. But he looks frail to me but he played every game. Washington's secondary has some guys that break on the ball. Great playing speed. They even lost a guard and plug some guy in and It wasn't even noticed. I thought their OL was a joke. They opened some nice running lanes. I don't know what KAM will do but he should try and get something for Sam. No sense in letting these teams with nothing at QB have him for free. Most of those teams have a bunch of cap. They can handle the hit and have a guy that can play in the regular season until they find their Mahomes.
I think its an oversimplification to say the QBs simply chocked. The other teams are also on the field. They have professional coaches and players that come up with game plans and strategies. They're playoff quality teams with playoff quality players. The QBs didn't didn't play their best, but the teams they played do have something to say about that.
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Cliff wrote: Sun Jan 19, 2025 8:58 am
CharVike wrote: Sun Jan 19, 2025 8:33 am Well the NFC North star QBs both chocked in the playoffs. Looks like Goff and Love have the same problem Sammy does. Lights too bright. Daniels actually looked great. But he looks frail to me but he played every game. Washington's secondary has some guys that break on the ball. Great playing speed. They even lost a guard and plug some guy in and It wasn't even noticed. I thought their OL was a joke. They opened some nice running lanes. I don't know what KAM will do but he should try and get something for Sam. No sense in letting these teams with nothing at QB have him for free. Most of those teams have a bunch of cap. They can handle the hit and have a guy that can play in the regular season until they find their Mahomes.
I think its an oversimplification to say the QBs simply chocked. The other teams are also on the field. They have professional coaches and players that come up with game plans and strategies. They're playoff quality teams with playoff quality players. The QBs didn't didn't play their best, but the teams they played do have something to say about that.
I know it's oversimplified but that's how it goes. Sammy chocked or played like a total stiff which has been repeated over and over. There is a much bigger picture than that. It includes everybody involved that day. The Washington team looked strong as hell and that was at the point of attack. They run guys that I never heard of. Their QB can stand there and wait for guys to clear. Close to a 7 on 7 drill. He threw some deep balls and wasn't trying to get out of a mess before doing it. You don't see that on our team very much. My main point is Sam gets the total blame. If it works for him then it works for everybody. Goff throwing a pick 6 at home is about as bad as it gets. He wasn't getting swarmed under either. The 3 top QBs in the North were all one and done. KAM should do his best to get something for Sammy. You can win with him. Limit the short throws because he sucks at that. We need draft picks.
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StumpHunter wrote: Sun Jan 19, 2025 8:48 am
CharVike wrote: Sun Jan 19, 2025 8:33 am Well the NFC North star QBs both chocked in the playoffs. Looks like Goff and Love have the same problem Sammy does. Lights too bright. Daniels actually looked great. But he looks frail to me but he played every game. Washington's secondary has some guys that break on the ball. Great playing speed. They even lost a guard and plug some guy in and It wasn't even noticed. I thought their OL was a joke. They opened some nice running lanes. I don't know what KAM will do but he should try and get something for Sam. No sense in letting these teams with nothing at QB have him for free. Most of those teams have a bunch of cap. They can handle the hit and have a guy that can play in the regular season until they find their Mahomes.
Darnold would have had to completely balled out in the playoffs to get anything in a tag and trade. As it stands now, some team will give him a similar deal to the one Jimmy G got from the Raiders, but that is about it
Teams do stupid things when they need a QB. We have done that for how long? We traded a 1st rounder for a guy from Philly. Desperation drives dumb decisions. We also gave Cousins a ton of money and many felt it was stupid.
Here is Jimmy G who has injury problems for a long time.
The Raiders had reworked the three-year, $73 million contract after the physical revealed he would need surgery on his broken foot that had ended his 2022 season.Mar 12, 2024
Contract then physical. See there is dumb.
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I know the Lions are considered the class act in the NFC but Goff isn't exactly a class act playoff QB. Yes Sam in his 1st playoff game was complete junk and he deserves what is thrown at him. But if anybody thinks Goff is a great QB who can take that team all the way look it up. He's not that great and has played 10 games. Only threw 2 TDs one time. Plus he has a great line along with a couple game breaker players like Gibbs and Williams.