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Hopefully this trade will give us the help we need to continue to make a playoff run, I don't think we gave up too much to attain him.

Oops I think I was posting at the same time, didn't mean to make a duplicate thread. Here is what I posted in the other one:
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LT Cam Robinson and a 2026 7th for our 2026 5th. That can become a fourth.
Contract expires this season.

From the Athletic:
By Dianna Russini, Alec Lewis and Jelani Scott

The Minnesota Vikings are addressing their massive void at left tackle ahead of Week 9 after striking a deal with the Jacksonville Jaguars for offensive lineman Cam Robinson, team sources confirmed Tuesday.

Minnesota receives Robinson and a conditional 2026 seventh-round pick while the Jaguars get a conditional 2026 fifth-rounder that can become a fourth-rounder based on playing time, per a team source.

The Vikings, losers of back-to-back games after starting 5-0, will now turn to Robinson, 29, to help protect quarterback Sam Darnold’s blindside after losing standout LT Christian Darrisaw to a torn ACL and MCL during a 30-20 loss to the Los Angeles Rams in Week 8.

Robinson, a second-round pick in 2017, spent nearly eight full seasons in Jacksonville. He started seven of the Jaguars’ eight games in 2024, and 91 games over his career.

What does Robinson provide in Darrisaw’s absence?

In the words of one AFC executive, Robinson is “an adequate starter.” The Vikings had an elite one in Darrisaw, and had they not completed this acquisition, they would have had subpar options whether they turned to backup David Quessenberry or shifted Blake Brandel out to left tackle.

Robinson is a free agent after this season, so Minnesota snagged him as a half-season rental capable of ensuring the left side of the offensive line does not torpedo Minnesota’s offense. By no means is Robinson an elite player. Among 62 qualified tackles, he ranks in the back-half in pressures allowed. Pro Football Focus has dinged him for allowing four sacks on the season, but the Jaguars’ disjointed offense is important context to note in these metrics.

Robinson is also classified as a solid — but not exceptional — run-blocker.

Another factor in this move is what Robinson may want to prove considering he is an impending free agent after this season. Exceptional production down the stretch might not only place him in a better position to garner a heftier deal, but it could also return a compensation pick for the Vikings. — Alec Lewis, Vikings beat writer

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/588403 ... ed-article

Here are his PFF grades, Summary:


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I don't think there was anyone else who was available that would be better.

I think this is an OK move. Better than letting Sammy get beat into the ground.

Husker Vike wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2024 7:07 pm Hopefully this trade will give us the help we need to continue to make a playoff run, I don't think we gave up too much to attain him.

I'm getting really worried about the amount of draft capital KAM is giving up to get immediate help. Not just this trade, but the trades that were made in the last draft, especially the one to get Turner. That is a lot of future potential being traded for questionable shorter-term needs. Turner especially proved to be very expensive from that perspective in the most recent draft and, at least thus far, his production hasn't justified what the Vikings gave up to get him. And while I understand the need to protect Darnold's blind side after Darrisaw went out, about all this 2024 Vikings team could have ever hoped to do was make the playoffs. I don't think they have much of a chance of doing anything if they get there with or without Darrisaw at LT.

The way KAM is shipping picks, he'd better hope his FA moves keep paying off.

VikingLord wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2024 5:59 pm

Husker Vike wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2024 7:07 pm Hopefully this trade will give us the help we need to continue to make a playoff run, I don't think we gave up too much to attain him.

I'm getting really worried about the amount of draft capital KAM is giving up to get immediate help. Not just this trade, but the trades that were made in the last draft, especially the one to get Turner. That is a lot of future potential being traded for questionable shorter-term needs. Turner especially proved to be very expensive from that perspective in the most recent draft and, at least thus far, his production hasn't justified what the Vikings gave up to get him. And while I understand the need to protect Darnold's blind side after Darrisaw went out, about all this 2024 Vikings team could have ever hoped to do was make the playoffs. I don't think they have much of a chance of doing anything if they get there with or without Darrisaw at LT.

The way KAM is shipping picks, he'd better hope his FA moves keep paying off.

Agree so much with this post.

I cringed when I read it could turn into fourth. Obviously I hope he has an amazing time here and he signs somewhere for good money and we get a comp pick back. Can't see it more than a rental unless we plan on making a change at tackle for the future.

I know straddling win now and don't mortgage the future is a razor thin line, sure seems like they are trading draft capital like this season is win now.

makila wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2024 6:58 pm

VikingLord wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2024 5:59 pm

I'm getting really worried about the amount of draft capital KAM is giving up to get immediate help. Not just this trade, but the trades that were made in the last draft, especially the one to get Turner. That is a lot of future potential being traded for questionable shorter-term needs. Turner especially proved to be very expensive from that perspective in the most recent draft and, at least thus far, his production hasn't justified what the Vikings gave up to get him. And while I understand the need to protect Darnold's blind side after Darrisaw went out, about all this 2024 Vikings team could have ever hoped to do was make the playoffs. I don't think they have much of a chance of doing anything if they get there with or without Darrisaw at LT.

The way KAM is shipping picks, he'd better hope his FA moves keep paying off.

Agree so much with this post.

I cringed when I read it could turn into fourth. Obviously I hope he has an amazing time here and he signs somewhere for good money and we get a comp pick back. Can't see it more than a rental unless we plan on making a change at tackle for the future.

I know straddling win now and don't mortgage the future is a razor thin line, sure seems like they are trading draft capital like this season is win now.

Or, KAM has a "master plan" tucked away whereby he gains draft capital back. I am sure every GM has such plans, sometimes it's just a matter of whether you can pull the plan off or not.

Maybe with the moves in the first round last year, from the owners to the GM to the HC (and maybe DC) they've all agreed that they will be in the FA market the next 2-3 years in order to improve. We have several expiring contracts, so it's not inconceivable they've already calculated when if and how they may get compensatory picks. Including maybe for Robinson.

I'm not too concerned, especially if they have decided that McCarthy is The Guy and we'll have plenty of money to spend on other positions if he's our #1 next year.

What I AM concerned about is if McCarthy and Turner end up being busts. That screws the whole plan, no matter what the plan is.

VikingLord wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2024 5:59 pm

Husker Vike wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2024 7:07 pm Hopefully this trade will give us the help we need to continue to make a playoff run, I don't think we gave up too much to attain him.

I'm getting really worried about the amount of draft capital KAM is giving up to get immediate help. Not just this trade, but the trades that were made in the last draft, especially the one to get Turner. That is a lot of future potential being traded for questionable shorter-term needs. Turner especially proved to be very expensive from that perspective in the most recent draft and, at least thus far, his production hasn't justified what the Vikings gave up to get him. And while I understand the need to protect Darnold's blind side after Darrisaw went out, about all this 2024 Vikings team could have ever hoped to do was make the playoffs. I don't think they have much of a chance of doing anything if they get there with or without Darrisaw at LT.

The way KAM is shipping picks, he'd better hope his FA moves keep paying off.

The way DT's snaps have drop isn't good. 35 week 1 and he had a sack. I know it's more than just sacks but we couldn't get anything going against the Rams and only 3 snaps. Our players just came off a game that took great effort and a short week with travel. He should be a pass rusher and forget the coverage for now. Give the guys a break. He'll have fresh legs. Basically a role player to get him some action and help the others.

psjordan wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2024 7:32 pm

makila wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2024 6:58 pm

Agree so much with this post.

I cringed when I read it could turn into fourth. Obviously I hope he has an amazing time here and he signs somewhere for good money and we get a comp pick back. Can't see it more than a rental unless we plan on making a change at tackle for the future.

I know straddling win now and don't mortgage the future is a razor thin line, sure seems like they are trading draft capital like this season is win now.

Or, KAM has a "master plan" tucked away whereby he gains draft capital back. I am sure every GM has such plans, sometimes it's just a matter of whether you can pull the plan off or not.

Maybe with the moves in the first round last year, from the owners to the GM to the HC (and maybe DC) they've all agreed that they will be in the FA market the next 2-3 years in order to improve. We have several expiring contracts, so it's not inconceivable they've already calculated when if and how they may get compensatory picks. Including maybe for Robinson.

I'm not too concerned, especially if they have decided that McCarthy is The Guy and we'll have plenty of money to spend on other positions if he's our #1 next year.

What I AM concerned about is if McCarthy and Turner end up being busts. That screws the whole plan, no matter what the plan is.

I'd be very concerned if he doesn't have some sort of framework of a macro level plan.

The teams that do well with comp picks draft well. It's how they fill their roster back with fa's leaving. If we spend big on fa, it hurts our ability to get comp picks. Our fa signings are a factor in how they are determined.

Injuries also can screw a plan. And bad drafting absolutely will screw it up. In multiple ways.

I hope they read the temperature of the roster well this time, vs last year with Hunter.

makila wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2024 6:27 am Injuries also can screw a plan. And bad drafting absolutely will screw it up. In multiple ways.

Injuries are going to happen which is where the backups come in, so when a team loses its starting LT for the season mid-season and feels it has to go to trade to compensate for that loss, that tells me the GM and coach do not feel they have adequate depth at that position, and that makes me question why a less costly move wasn't made prior to the start of the season to address that depth. Because having to try to address it mid-season means there are fewer viable options and they are invariably more expensive in relative terms.

That alone indicates a lack of planning to me unless the Vikings felt Robinson was really that much better than the guy they had behind Darrisaw going into the season and they're convinced this team might actually be capable of doing something in the playoffs, both of which appear to be true to justify this move.

At the rate KAM's going, there will be a draft in the next 3 years where the Vikings literally have no picks.

VikingLord wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2024 5:27 pm

makila wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2024 6:27 am Injuries also can screw a plan. And bad drafting absolutely will screw it up. In multiple ways.

Injuries are going to happen which is where the backups come in, so when a team loses its starting LT for the season mid-season and feels it has to go to trade to compensate for that loss, that tells me the GM and coach do not feel they have adequate depth at that position, and that makes me question why a less costly move wasn't made prior to the start of the season to address that depth. Because having to try to address it mid-season means there are fewer viable options and they are invariably more expensive in relative terms.

That alone indicates a lack of planning to me unless the Vikings felt Robinson was really that much better than the guy they had behind Darrisaw going into the season and they're convinced this team might actually be capable of doing something in the playoffs, both of which appear to be true to justify this move.

At the rate KAM's going, there will be a draft in the next 3 years where the Vikings literally have no picks.

Yeah I agree VL. I understand that teams aren't going to have NFL starter quality depth at every position. They'd be starters otherwise. I do expect some depth though, especially depth that the HC can at least work with if pressed into duty. Lineman.... are going to get hurt. They are in a collision every play. You have to have depth on both lines. The fact that when a olineman has gotten hurt they've had to trade or sign a FA makes me wonder what in the world they're using roster spots for of the current backups??

I am really curious if we're going to see KOC change his passing game at all, or we're going to just continue to see so many longer developing passing plays, or if he really will add more quick hitters.

makila wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2024 7:03 pm

VikingLord wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2024 5:27 pm

Injuries are going to happen which is where the backups come in, so when a team loses its starting LT for the season mid-season and feels it has to go to trade to compensate for that loss, that tells me the GM and coach do not feel they have adequate depth at that position, and that makes me question why a less costly move wasn't made prior to the start of the season to address that depth. Because having to try to address it mid-season means there are fewer viable options and they are invariably more expensive in relative terms.

That alone indicates a lack of planning to me unless the Vikings felt Robinson was really that much better than the guy they had behind Darrisaw going into the season and they're convinced this team might actually be capable of doing something in the playoffs, both of which appear to be true to justify this move.

At the rate KAM's going, there will be a draft in the next 3 years where the Vikings literally have no picks.

Yeah I agree VL. I understand that teams aren't going to have NFL starter quality depth at every position. They'd be starters otherwise. I do expect some depth though, especially depth that the HC can at least work with if pressed into duty. Lineman.... are going to get hurt. They are in a collision every play. You have to have depth on both lines. The fact that when a olineman has gotten hurt they've had to trade or sign a FA makes me wonder what in the world they're using roster spots for of the current backups??

I am really curious if we're going to see KOC change his passing game at all, or we're going to just continue to see so many longer developing passing plays, or if he really will add more quick hitters.

I don't know if we have a guy for quick hitters. Nailor? He has a hard time catching the ball. They hit Mundt on some quick throws with very little pay back. He's a blocker more than anything else. Basically a wasted play with high risk. Addison could be used but that hasn't happened. Perhaps he's not suited for that. I thought about the depth myself. They drafted a guy this year but he can't play right now. That's the killer. The Rams plug 2 rookies in and one was an UDFA and they handle our front easily. When you can't draft this is the only other option.

makila wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2024 7:03 pm

VikingLord wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2024 5:27 pm

Injuries are going to happen which is where the backups come in, so when a team loses its starting LT for the season mid-season and feels it has to go to trade to compensate for that loss, that tells me the GM and coach do not feel they have adequate depth at that position, and that makes me question why a less costly move wasn't made prior to the start of the season to address that depth. Because having to try to address it mid-season means there are fewer viable options and they are invariably more expensive in relative terms.

That alone indicates a lack of planning to me unless the Vikings felt Robinson was really that much better than the guy they had behind Darrisaw going into the season and they're convinced this team might actually be capable of doing something in the playoffs, both of which appear to be true to justify this move.

At the rate KAM's going, there will be a draft in the next 3 years where the Vikings literally have no picks.

Yeah I agree VL. I understand that teams aren't going to have NFL starter quality depth at every position. They'd be starters otherwise. I do expect some depth though, especially depth that the HC can at least work with if pressed into duty. Lineman.... are going to get hurt. They are in a collision every play. You have to have depth on both lines. The fact that when a olineman has gotten hurt they've had to trade or sign a FA makes me wonder what in the world they're using roster spots for of the current backups??

I am really curious if we're going to see KOC change his passing game at all, or we're going to just continue to see so many longer developing passing plays, or if he really will add more quick hitters.

I think there's a significant difference between having a backup you feel ok coming in for a game or two while the starter heals up and changing that backup into a full time starter. It could also be that they feel they have quality depth but want to keep it that way. When the starter goes down, even if they start his current backup, they then need another player behind him ready to go.

Basically I think what we're seeing is the difference between the starter going down for the entire season rather than just a couple of games.

CharVike wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2024 9:47 am

makila wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2024 7:03 pm

Yeah I agree VL. I understand that teams aren't going to have NFL starter quality depth at every position. They'd be starters otherwise. I do expect some depth though, especially depth that the HC can at least work with if pressed into duty. Lineman.... are going to get hurt. They are in a collision every play. You have to have depth on both lines. The fact that when a olineman has gotten hurt they've had to trade or sign a FA makes me wonder what in the world they're using roster spots for of the current backups??

I am really curious if we're going to see KOC change his passing game at all, or we're going to just continue to see so many longer developing passing plays, or if he really will add more quick hitters.

I don't know if we have a guy for quick hitters. Nailor? He has a hard time catching the ball. They hit Mundt on some quick throws with very little pay back. He's a blocker more than anything else. Basically a wasted play with high risk. Addison could be used but that hasn't happened. Perhaps he's not suited for that. I thought about the depth myself. They drafted a guy this year but he can't play right now. That's the killer. The Rams plug 2 rookies in and one was an UDFA and they handle our front easily. When you can't draft this is the only other option.

I'd say Jones and Hockenson can fit that role.

CharVike wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2024 9:47 am

makila wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2024 7:03 pm

Yeah I agree VL. I understand that teams aren't going to have NFL starter quality depth at every position. They'd be starters otherwise. I do expect some depth though, especially depth that the HC can at least work with if pressed into duty. Lineman.... are going to get hurt. They are in a collision every play. You have to have depth on both lines. The fact that when a olineman has gotten hurt they've had to trade or sign a FA makes me wonder what in the world they're using roster spots for of the current backups??

I am really curious if we're going to see KOC change his passing game at all, or we're going to just continue to see so many longer developing passing plays, or if he really will add more quick hitters.

I don't know if we have a guy for quick hitters. Nailor? He has a hard time catching the ball. They hit Mundt on some quick throws with very little pay back. He's a blocker more than anything else. Basically a wasted play with high risk. Addison could be used but that hasn't happened. Perhaps he's not suited for that. I thought about the depth myself. They drafted a guy this year but he can't play right now. That's the killer. The Rams plug 2 rookies in and one was an UDFA and they handle our front easily. When you can't draft this is the only other option.

Hockenson is back. He should be primary for those.

JJ should be running slants too. We keep hearing how koc told JJ he was going to use him like Kupp. I just haven't seen that yet. He should be imho. JJ should be running every route on the tree.