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Re: The Brewing QB1 Controversy

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Cliff wrote: ↑Mon Oct 21, 2024 10:02 am
VikingLord wrote: ↑Mon Oct 21, 2024 9:29 am After watching Darnold's latest performance against the Lions, I'm going to call it right now and predict there will NOT be a future QB controversy and that, when this season ends somewhat unceremoniously with a .500 or so record, the Vikings will at best offer to bring Darnold back as McCarthy's backup next season. I say this because it seems pretty obvious that Darnold is not playing the position at a high level. He may have started out on fire (which he's done before with his previous teams), but he seems incapable of maintaining it and again yesterday we saw numerous examples of him missing obvious and fairly easy throws while at the same time making yet another equally obvious and glaring error. The first obvious miss that I saw was when he took off scrambling for what appeared to be a very nice 19 yard pickup. However, the downfield replay of that scramble showed that had Darnold simply stepped up in the pocket and looked straight ahead, Nailor was wide open down the middle for an easy TD. And by easy, I mean E-A-S-Y, as he had clean separation and multiple steps. Darnold just "Dobbed" it and took off. Second obvious miss was on the INT to Branch. Jones was running a sideline route and was as wide open as anyone can get. It would have been an easy pitch-and-catch for a first down to keep the chains moving. But Darnold never looked that way, instead locking on to Addison who never was open. And even worse, Branch was right there. Darnold credited Branch with making a nice play on the ball in the post game pressure. Dude, you threw it right to him! He didn't have to do anything, and this isn't the first time I've seen Darnold make the same kind of throw.

Whatever poise and pocket presence Darnold had to start the year is gone. He's jumpy, impatient, is missing throws and failing to see receivers coming open. Early in the year he was hitting some deep balls and putting a lot of scoring pressure on opposing teams. Now, we're lucky if we see one ball go downfield per game. And it's really hurting the offense.

So I think it is safe to say that the Vikings at least will be saved from any difficult decisions at QB1 heading into next season. It's going to be JMac or bust.
I'm not sure we watched the same game. Darnold completed 81.5% of his passes for 259 yards, 1/1 td/int, a 103.5 passer rating, and 40 yards on the ground. After 7 games he is 7th in passer rating even after the Jets game. The Jets, by the way, have 3 of the top 15 CBs in the league.

He didn't seem jumpy at all to me. The play on the ball for the INT was a good play by a very good player.

He wasn't perfect, but his play was more than good enough to win the game if the defense held up. The defense gave up 4 TDs on 4 consecutive drives. They're lucky the game was as close as it was.
I strongly disagree with Darnold having a good game, the stats are ok but don’t tell the whole story. On the pick play Jones was wide open and he missed him and on our final 3rd down on offence he missed Justin Jefferson. Make those plays and we win πŸ€·β€β™‚οΈ. Switch Goff with Darnold and Vikings win that game by 20 points.
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I'm going to post a reply to this thread instead of the Jax game thread because while there is a lot to unpack from yesterday's game, the vast majority of the substance comes down to the play of Sam Darnold in that game, which in turn is relevant to the theme of this thread, both for the remainder of this season as well as what it means going into next season.

Sam Darnold is continuing to regress, just as he has during the season at every stop of his pro career so far. And it isn't just the interceptions. On the face of it, those are very bad, especially when the team has driven down into scoring range and gets no points. No, Darnold's accuracy and timing have been awful as well pretty much all game. There were several completions yesterday where the receiver had to contort himself quite a bit to make the catch. There were incompletions as well where Darnold had an open man but simply overthrew the ball, was late on the throw, or just missed the read altogether. The Jags got some pressure on him early. It reminded me a lot of the first half against the Colts, but in the 2nd half the OL more or less held up and Darnold had time. On the 2nd INT he threw, I believe he had close to 5 seconds to make the read and throw, and not only was he late on the read, but the throw was well off the mark. JJ was open on that route, and a better throw would have either been a TD or an incomplete. There were numerous examples like that throughout the game.

The worst pick Darnold threw yesterday was the one that was negated by a defensive penalty on the deep ball to Addison. Even though Addison was covered on that play, a better ball out in front of him and leading him down the field could not be picked off. But Darnold launched a duck that was late and behind, more or less almost thrown to the defender. It was a terrible decision to throw that ball and a terrible throw on top of it.

The worst part of all of this is that once again, the Vikings will be just good enough with Darnold to either barely make the playoffs or barely miss them, ensuring they finish middle of the pack and get a middle-of-the-pack draft pick in a year where their mid-round draft capital has been gutted by aggressive trades. They do have McCarthy waiting in the wings for next year, but this year is starting to remind me a lot of last year in terms of where the play at QB is trending.

KOC was vociferous in his defense of Darnold, insisting no changes will be made. I was calling for Mullens after Darnold's 3rd pick. I do wonder at what point even KOC will have to acknowledge that Darnold's goose is cooked.

For those of you who are hopeful Darnold will figure this out and/or KOC will get him on the right track, that has not been his history since he came in the league. His history has been regression past the mean as seasons go on everywhere he's been. Yes, this is a QB-friendly system with great offensive skill position players, and yes, this is still Sam Darnold. I was fooled earlier in the year by how he started off, but the writing is on the wall with this guy. If the Vikings do manage to win games from here on out, it will likely be on the back of great defensive play coupled with good fortune on special teams. But I can see a time when the Vikings get down inside the 30 or so and KOC refuses to call pass plays because he simply doesn't trust his QB.
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VikingLord wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2024 11:18 am I'm going to post a reply to this thread instead of the Jax game thread because while there is a lot to unpack from yesterday's game, the vast majority of the substance comes down to the play of Sam Darnold in that game, which in turn is relevant to the theme of this thread, both for the remainder of this season as well as what it means going into next season.

Sam Darnold is continuing to regress, just as he has during the season at every stop of his pro career so far. And it isn't just the interceptions. On the face of it, those are very bad, especially when the team has driven down into scoring range and gets no points. No, Darnold's accuracy and timing have been awful as well pretty much all game. There were several completions yesterday where the receiver had to contort himself quite a bit to make the catch. There were incompletions as well where Darnold had an open man but simply overthrew the ball, was late on the throw, or just missed the read altogether. The Jags got some pressure on him early. It reminded me a lot of the first half against the Colts, but in the 2nd half the OL more or less held up and Darnold had time. On the 2nd INT he threw, I believe he had close to 5 seconds to make the read and throw, and not only was he late on the read, but the throw was well off the mark. JJ was open on that route, and a better throw would have either been a TD or an incomplete. There were numerous examples like that throughout the game.

The worst pick Darnold threw yesterday was the one that was negated by a defensive penalty on the deep ball to Addison. Even though Addison was covered on that play, a better ball out in front of him and leading him down the field could not be picked off. But Darnold launched a duck that was late and behind, more or less almost thrown to the defender. It was a terrible decision to throw that ball and a terrible throw on top of it.

The worst part of all of this is that once again, the Vikings will be just good enough with Darnold to either barely make the playoffs or barely miss them, ensuring they finish middle of the pack and get a middle-of-the-pack draft pick in a year where their mid-round draft capital has been gutted by aggressive trades. They do have McCarthy waiting in the wings for next year, but this year is starting to remind me a lot of last year in terms of where the play at QB is trending.

KOC was vociferous in his defense of Darnold, insisting no changes will be made. I was calling for Mullens after Darnold's 3rd pick. I do wonder at what point even KOC will have to acknowledge that Darnold's goose is cooked.

For those of you who are hopeful Darnold will figure this out and/or KOC will get him on the right track, that has not been his history since he came in the league. His history has been regression past the mean as seasons go on everywhere he's been. Yes, this is a QB-friendly system with great offensive skill position players, and yes, this is still Sam Darnold. I was fooled earlier in the year by how he started off, but the writing is on the wall with this guy. If the Vikings do manage to win games from here on out, it will likely be on the back of great defensive play coupled with good fortune on special teams. But I can see a time when the Vikings get down inside the 30 or so and KOC refuses to call pass plays because he simply doesn't trust his QB.
I agree he was terrible yesterday but I don't agree it's a trend that he's getting worse since the beginning of the season. Just 3 games ago against the Rams he has his statistically best game. He threw 2 INTs against the Colts but also threw 3 TDs and overall had a good game.

His last two games (before the Jags) were just as good as his first two games of the season or better.

KOC is vociferous in his defense of Darnold because he's the team's best show at doing something in the post season. Mullens was meant to be the 3rd stringer this year and for good reason. In 2023 he had 4 full games and didn't even have a rating over 100 in any of them. In 2022 he didn't have any full games. In 2021 he had one full game, also not as good as anything Darnold has put up. In 2020 he started and played 9 games and only had 2 that were anywhere close to what Darnold has done this season.

Starting Mullens is giving up on the season and going for a better draft pick. At 7-2 that's just a silly thing to do.

Match Darnold up against QBs you might want more than Darnold:

Darnold:
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Mahomes:
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Jayden Daniels:
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Kirk Cousins:
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Joe Burrow:
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The point is that Darnold stacks up next to these other QBs pretty well. He's only had two truly bad games all year when you step back and look. Then when you compare him to some of the other good/great QBs in the league he's right there with them or doing better.

All QBs have some bad games.
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Cliff wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2024 12:11 pm The point is that Darnold stacks up next to these other QBs pretty well. He's only had two truly bad games all year when you step back and look. Then when you compare him to some of the other good/great QBs in the league he's right there with them or doing better.

All QBs have some bad games.
I don't know... Darnold has had some bad games over the course of his career that look more like a feature than a glitch at this point.

It's true that Mahomes has not performed as well, but by comparison with his career numbers, this season looks more like a glitch. The others it's harder to say.

I just think there is a good reason Darnold was available as a FA this offseason and Patrick Mahomes and Goff weren't. I'll leave it at that for purposes of the point I'm trying to make.

As for KOC, I think the time is going to come before this year is finished where he's going to have to make a tough call - stick with Darnold or see if he can rescue it with Mullens. I wonder how long it will take for him to reach that point, and what decision he'll make when he arrives.
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VikingLord wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2024 3:54 pmI don't know... Darnold has had some bad games over the course of his career that look more like a feature than a glitch at this point.
The jury is definitely still out on Darnold. I still stand by my pre-season assessment that this is literally the first place he has started with a good/great surrounding cast. So far he has played 7 out of 9 games good enough that a decent team should win. I just don't understand the calling to bench him at all. It's definitely not a "regression" just because the Vikings lost two games. In fact, he actually played pretty well in those two games.

Against the Lions his line was 81.5% completion, 1/1 TD/INT, 107.1 passer rating, 259 yards. Against the Rams he had 72% completion, 2/0 TD/INT, 128.8 passer rating, and 240. In short, Darnold was not the reason the team lost either of those games.

Meanwhile, here is Nick Mullens in 2020 where he actually started several games:
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I have no idea why anybody would advocate for Mullins over Darnold.
It's true that Mahomes has not performed as well, but by comparison with his career numbers, this season looks more like a glitch. The others it's harder to say.
Don't get me wrong, other than Cousins I'd trade Darnold for any of the other QBs straight up. My point is that this season at least, he is playing really well. All of these other QBs also have "stinkers". 7 out of 9 games with over 100 passer rating is pretty good proof that it's not currently a glitch.
I just think there is a good reason Darnold was available as a FA this offseason and Patrick Mahomes and Goff weren't. I'll leave it at that for purposes of the point I'm trying to make.
Absolutely. And why the Vikings only signed him to a 1 year contract. That said, it comes back to his surrounding cast. You can look at Mahomes' surrounding cast and see why it's a "glitch" year for him. It's why 2023 was a "glitch" year. QBs can't do it alone and Sam Darnold's WRs were absolute trash with the Jets and Panthers. Period. If Mahomes was drafted by the Jets in 2018 do you think he'd be where he is now? Absolutely not.
As for KOC, I think the time is going to come before this year is finished where he's going to have to make a tough call - stick with Darnold or see if he can rescue it with Mullens. I wonder how long it will take for him to reach that point, and what decision he'll make when he arrives.
"Rescue"? From a 7-2 season where the two losses had little or nothing to do with Darnold's play? You're predicting them going on a losing streak I guess? I've seen some in the sports media talk about Darnold's "regression" and I guess that's where this is coming from?

Lets compare someone that the media is slobbering all over: Goff has had more bad-to-below-average games than Darnold this year, for example:

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Last game was equal parts bad game from Sam and horrible play calling.

WAY to predictive. It seems like the throws to Oliver are the only plays really catching defenses off guard. Time for some creativity.
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cmoss84 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2024 3:01 pm Last game was equal parts bad game from Sam and horrible play calling.

WAY to predictive. It seems like the throws to Oliver are the only plays really catching defenses off guard. Time for some creativity.
Oliver seems to be doing well. I think he was a very good signing. Our O picked a perfect week to be bad. Jax has a bad record but they have some very good players on D. Those 2 DEs they have are very good. We ran the ball down their throats. Maybe they were taking the stuff that was working for us in the pass game away and we didn't adjust.
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Cliff, I admire your defense of Darnold, but I think a lot of people are seeing the same things I'm seeing, and especially non-Vikings fans who probably look at things more objectively. Take, for example, the various comments from a variety of folks who do power rankings - https://www.vikings.com/news/nfl-power- ... -close-win

There is one person in that list who defends Darnold along the lines of what you're arguing, but most of them are seeing the same thing I'm seeing, which is a QB who is struggling to take care of the football. Worse, at least in my opinion, is the nature of those turnovers. They are not coming on great defensive plays per se, but rather on throws that are either poorly placed, poorly timed, and, in many cases, are thrown directly at the defender or where the defender has a clean line on the ball the whole way in.

My fear here is this is another "malaise" year where the QB is good enough to get them to near .500 and maybe a 1st round playoff exit, which in turn leads to middling draft positioning (which is worse this year given KAM has traded away pretty much all of the team's mid-round picks), which leads to another middling year. Yes, the Vikings are 7-2 this year, but in terms of statistical rankings they are dead middle in most categories on offense and wildly inconsistent on defense with a crappy pass defense somewhat offset with a good run defense. To some degree their record flies in the face of their statistics, and in most of those cases, that means they will come back to earth hard at some point if that point hasn't already been reached. In my opinion they won against the Jags mostly because the QB they faced was Mac Jones and he made his best effort to imitate Darnold there at the end of that game. Had the Jags had a better QB under center, I don't think the Vikings would have survived Darnold's turnovers and the offensive lack of scoring production.

Anyway, I respect your defense of Darnold much as I respected the defense of Cousins by others when he was the Vikings QB. But in my opinion stats don't tell the whole story at the QB position. QBs can have seemingly good stats, but fail to execute in key situations that ultimately costs the team meaningful games. Darnold's interceptions and failure to protect the football will do the same to this year's team at some point. I don't know if they're going to go on a losing streak because they're playing some pretty bad teams here, but that doesn't change the fact that Darnold is going to have to play a lot better for the team to have any real chance of post-season success.
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VikingLord wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2024 12:03 pm Cliff, I admire your defense of Darnold, but I think a lot of people are seeing the same things I'm seeing, and especially non-Vikings fans who probably look at things more objectively. Take, for example, the various comments from a variety of folks who do power rankings - https://www.vikings.com/news/nfl-power- ... -close-win

There is one person in that list who defends Darnold along the lines of what you're arguing, but most of them are seeing the same thing I'm seeing, which is a QB who is struggling to take care of the football. Worse, at least in my opinion, is the nature of those turnovers. They are not coming on great defensive plays per se, but rather on throws that are either poorly placed, poorly timed, and, in many cases, are thrown directly at the defender or where the defender has a clean line on the ball the whole way in.

My fear here is this is another "malaise" year where the QB is good enough to get them to near .500 and maybe a 1st round playoff exit, which in turn leads to middling draft positioning (which is worse this year given KAM has traded away pretty much all of the team's mid-round picks), which leads to another middling year. Yes, the Vikings are 7-2 this year, but in terms of statistical rankings they are dead middle in most categories on offense and wildly inconsistent on defense with a crappy pass defense somewhat offset with a good run defense. To some degree their record flies in the face of their statistics, and in most of those cases, that means they will come back to earth hard at some point if that point hasn't already been reached. In my opinion they won against the Jags mostly because the QB they faced was Mac Jones and he made his best effort to imitate Darnold there at the end of that game. Had the Jags had a better QB under center, I don't think the Vikings would have survived Darnold's turnovers and the offensive lack of scoring production.

Anyway, I respect your defense of Darnold much as I respected the defense of Cousins by others when he was the Vikings QB. But in my opinion stats don't tell the whole story at the QB position. QBs can have seemingly good stats, but fail to execute in key situations that ultimately costs the team meaningful games. Darnold's interceptions and failure to protect the football will do the same to this year's team at some point. I don't know if they're going to go on a losing streak because they're playing some pretty bad teams here, but that doesn't change the fact that Darnold is going to have to play a lot better for the team to have any real chance of post-season success.
And I respect your position on Darnold as well, I just don't see it the same way. And especially not to the extent that Mullens should start instead.

Stats don't tell the entire story, but they can give you insight to overall performance especially over a period of time. We can look at his stats from the Jags and tell immediately he had a terrible game. 63.2 completion percentage, 0/3 TD/INT, 48.2 passer rating. You don't need to watch the game to get more information than that. Same with the Jets. 0/1 TD/INT, 45.2 completion percentage, 50.3 passer rating. There is no problem determining those are bad games seeing nothing but the stats.

In the same vein, a QB can't have had a very bad game and still put up good stats, not over the long run. Not over a 7 game span, which is what Darnold has done.

I think a lot of the "professionals" are a little biased because they expected Darnold to completely fail aside from maybe a good game or two and predicted it at the start of the season. They're chomping at the bit to be proven right; "see, he's regressing just like I said!". They've pushed the narrative so hard that they've got people believing he played poorly in the Colts and Rams game.

His stat line during the Colts game was 82% completion, 3/2 TD/INT, and a passer rating of 107.1. You don't want him throwing INTs, sure, but QBs do that from time to time. The week before for the Rams game he went 72% completion, 2/0 TD/INT, 128.8 passer rating. Hell, even throw in the Lions game: 81.5% completion, 1/1 TD/INT, 103.5 passer rating.

Those games are supposedly proof that he's "regressing" over the last several games.

In his last 3 games before the Jags stinker (IND, STL, DET), his average stats are:

2/1 TD/INT
78% completion
112 Passer rating

If he maintained that pace over the season he'd have the highest completion percentage and QB rating in the league.Those are top 5 QB stats at least. Instead they're somehow proof he's been getting worse and worse over the last several games. What!?

Meanwhile Goff throws 5 INTs in a single game and nobody cares. It just proves how good the Lions are to still win the game.
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Cliff wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2024 1:23 pm You don't want him throwing INTs, sure, but QBs do that from time to time.
IIRC, Darnold leads the league in either INTs or total turnovers right now. His 3 picks last week all came with the Vikings in scoring position. You kind of make it sound like his INT issue has been pretty isolated, but if he's leading all passers in the NFL in that category, that's a pretty clear trend that spans more than one or two bad games.
Cliff wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2024 1:23 pm The week before for the Rams game he went 72% completion, 2/0 TD/INT, 128.8 passer rating. Hell, even throw in the Lions game: 81.5% completion, 1/1 TD/INT, 103.5 passer rating.

Those games are supposedly proof that he's "regressing" over the last several games.

In his last 3 games before the Jags stinker (IND, STL, DET), his average stats are:

2/1 TD/INT
78% completion
112 Passer rating

If he maintained that pace over the season he'd have the highest completion percentage and QB rating in the league.Those are top 5 QB stats at least. Instead they're somehow proof he's been getting worse and worse over the last several games. What!?
Those stats are great and all, but the fact remains the Vikings are like the 12th overall passing offense, Darnold's QBR right now ranks him 18th overall, and he ranks right around that in other statistics like Expected Points Added (18th), PAA (17th), and raw rating (15th).

If he's truly having more elite performances than not, why do his rankings in so many of these areas say he's average to below average?
Cliff wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2024 1:23 pm Meanwhile Goff throws 5 INTs in a single game and nobody cares. It just proves how good the Lions are to still win the game.
Goff has been to a Superbowl and a conference championship game and his team looks poised to return to one or both this year, so he probably gets more of a pass. Interestingly, the Lions passing offense is ranked below the Vikings and Goff ranks below Darnold in the various QB stats, so your criticism of the perception of him at least is very valid.

I hope Darnold figures it out. From what I can see, to me it looks like he just fails to see defenders and gets locked on to one or two receivers. He just isn't doing a great job of post-snap processing and isn't being as decisive in terms of timing as he was earlier in the year. With that said, earlier in the year he played fantastic, so maybe KOC can get him back into that groove.
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VikingLord wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2024 3:28 pmIIRC, Darnold leads the league in either INTs or total turnovers right now. His 3 picks last week all came with the Vikings in scoring position. You kind of make it sound like his INT issue has been pretty isolated, but if he's leading all passers in the NFL in that category, that's a pretty clear trend that spans more than one or two bad games.
He is tied for the most interceptions but the margins in that are so thin one bad game can send you to the top of the list. He's had 5 interceptions in his last 2 games. Before those two games he only had 5 INTs over a 7 game span which was one of the better in the league. Like Goff, before his last game he had 4 INTs all season, now he's got the second most in the league with 9 but that doesn't really tell his whole story.
Those stats are great and all, but the fact remains the Vikings are like the 12th overall passing offense, Darnold's QBR right now ranks him 18th overall, and he ranks right around that in other statistics like Expected Points Added (18th), PAA (17th), and raw rating (15th).

If he's truly having more elite performances than not, why do his rankings in so many of these areas say he's average to below average?
I'm not saying "elite" by any means, but definitely good enough to win most games, including against some of the better teams in the league. Funnily enough, in his worst games the Vikings actually won. As far as overall passing offense, 8 of the teams above the Vikings have had 10 games to the Vikings 9.

If I'm being honest, I don't know enough about how those other stats are calculated or what they mean to weigh in. I will say it's two really bad games that are weighing his overall stats down. Basically 7 out of 9 games he is playing like a top tier QB in the league and 2 out of 9 he's one of the worst in the league. In those good 7 games on average he is 6th overall in QBR, for example.

Obviously those games do count and so his overall stats are what they are, but my point is that more often than not we are getting really good play out of Darnold. His bad games are just bad enough that they bring down his averages quite a bit and most of his good games aren't "elite" level good.
Goff has been to a Superbowl and a conference championship game and his team looks poised to return to one or both this year, so he probably gets more of a pass. Interestingly, the Lions passing offense is ranked below the Vikings and Goff ranks below Darnold in the various QB stats, so your criticism of the perception of him at least is very valid.
And that's why I would also say that Goff has proven that in general he is the better QB. Like you said though, the perception for this season just isn't accurate. Darnold is mostly playing at a pretty high level and the idea that he has been getting worse and worse seems to be overblown to me.

Now don't get me wrong, I am certainly worried that his game against the Jags is the beginning of him slipping back into bad play, but is he showing some crazy level of regression over the last several weeks? I don't see that.
I hope Darnold figures it out. From what I can see, to me it looks like he just fails to see defenders and gets locked on to one or two receivers. He just isn't doing a great job of post-snap processing and isn't being as decisive in terms of timing as he was earlier in the year. With that said, earlier in the year he played fantastic, so maybe KOC can get him back into that groove.
He definitely is holding onto the ball too long trying to process and not being decisive enough. I think he's going through his reads but if he doesn't see a "sure thing" he's just slinging it to Jefferson regardless of his situation and that can't continue.
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Re: The Brewing QB1 Controversy

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Might not be the best thread to put this in, but have the Giants completely given up on Jones? I wonder how much it would cost to acquire him if they have...he might be a cheaper backup than anyone else moving forward?
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Re: The Brewing QB1 Controversy

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cmoss84 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 4:04 pm Might not be the best thread to put this in, but have the Giants completely given up on Jones? I wonder how much it would cost to acquire him if they have...he might be a cheaper backup than anyone else moving forward?
well...they cut him loose. I think we should sign him.

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Re: The Brewing QB1 Controversy

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cmoss84 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 22, 2024 12:35 pm
cmoss84 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 18, 2024 4:04 pm Might not be the best thread to put this in, but have the Giants completely given up on Jones? I wonder how much it would cost to acquire him if they have...he might be a cheaper backup than anyone else moving forward?
well...they cut him loose. I think we should sign him.

good day sirs.
He's better than our options behind Darnold. Maybe even the Eagles. Hurts has had an injury history. Maybe 49ers Purdy missed the game today.