VikingLord wrote: ↑Wed Sep 27, 2023 4:06 pm
allday1991 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 27, 2023 2:43 pm
Sure they’re for sure, but let’s take into account the 8 or 9 game winning drives he had last year, those are critical moments when he didn’t choke. So let’s put this into something usable. Heck I’ll even group in mistakes from this year. I’ll agree giants game he could of thrown it past the sticks (1 strike against), sure he could of ran up and spiked the ball (2 strikes) heck let’s even add the strip from kj against the bucs (strike 3) and tj vs the chargers(strike 4). It’s still 9-4 which is 9/13 which means in game situations cousins has come through over 64% of the time in tough situations. Far cry from “always” failing in tight situations
But that isn't speaking to the point I'm trying to make. The point I'm trying to make doesn't rely on a specific result. A tough call can be made that isn't successful and doesn't result in a win.
True in some situations, however I believe some situations the out come of the call greatly effects public opinion. I think of patriots vs colts when bill decided to go for in on 4th to keep manning off the field. He said something along the lines of if the play succeeds I'm a genius if it fails I'm a fool.
Had Cousins thrown beyond the sticks in that game against the Giants in the playoffs, that doesn't mean he'd have completed it or that the Vikings would have gone on to win that game. Or even against the Chargers if he runs them up and spikes it, it just gives the offense more time to try to score. They still could easily have lost the game even if he spiked it.
Agreed this is a clear cut call were one call was strictly right no matter the outcome.
It's the ability and willingness to make the hard decision that matters more than the specific result of that decision, at least from where I sit.
But I'm willing to acknowledge that those tough calls might also result in wins, so what critical call or decision did Cousins have to make in the 9 game winning drives that you point to as examples?
To me a game winning drive is a critical moment every play call you under pressure
In the game against the Bills, he made a very tough throw to JJ and I also actually give him credit for trying to sneak it in late down near the goal line even though he didn't get in. The Vikings won that game but even had they lost I'd still give Cousins credit. Further, I actually looked at that game as a turning point for Cousins in this area. I thought he finally was going to take those risks and make those hard calls, and I was super optimistic about the team's playoff chances based on that. And then we see the end of that game against the Giants and all the air went out of my support of him.
I respect your belief in Cousins and understand where you're coming from with the point about the lines not being up to snuff (which I agree with). The problem does go deeper than him, but that doesn't mean he's not part of the problem. I think he's an essential part of the problem, to the point where even if the other problems are largely addressed in the short term, Cousins would likely still cost the team at some point due to his inability or unwillingness to make the harder decision.
I also see were your coming from however I'm not sold on throwing to jj in triple coverage having more of a success rate than TJ catching a pass and breaking 1 tackle, what's more likely? not 100% sure. That's cool I respect your belief as well I don't think Kirk is a perfect QB but I do believe we can win a bowl with Cousin but not with the current talent. Like mentioned I don't think Mahomes could lead this current talent to a superbowl.