There is no qb in the league that can make a team that isn’t competitive, competitive. There’s a reason Mathew stafford won a Super Bowl with a completely stacked rams team but could win a single playoff game with the lions. There is maybe 3 quarters back in the whole league than can somewhat do what your claiming a good qb can do, team game.
What exactly do you think I am claiming, because there are a lot more than 3 QBs who can do what I am claiming a good QB can do. Which is improve the team they play for significantly so they win more games.
Jackson, Rodgers, Wilson, Mahomes, Burrow, Allen for sure add wins over the average QB, and you could make the argument Murray and Herbert do the same.
You switch out any of those guys (when healthy) with the Derek Carr's, Kirk Cousins and Matt Ryans of the NFL and that team wins more games than with their current QBs.
Simply to play devils advocate, if you put that Rams defense on the Vikings this year we don't have the 2nd to worst defense in the league and likely win more games too.....
StumpHunter wrote: ↑Mon Feb 21, 2022 11:59 am
What exactly do you think I am claiming, because there are a lot more than 3 QBs who can do what I am claiming a good QB can do. Which is improve the team they play for significantly so they win more games.
Jackson, Rodgers, Wilson, Mahomes, Burrow, Allen for sure add wins over the average QB, and you could make the argument Murray and Herbert do the same.
You switch out any of those guys (when healthy) with the Derek Carr's, Kirk Cousins and Matt Ryans of the NFL and that team wins more games than with their current QBs.
Simply to play devils advocate, if you put that Rams defense on the Vikings this year we don't have the 2nd to worst defense in the league and likely win more games too.....
This is absolutely true, just like it is true that if you switched the Ram's entire offense, QB and all, we would have won more games.
Simply to play devils advocate, if you put that Rams defense on the Vikings this year we don't have the 2nd to worst defense in the league and likely win more games too.....
This is absolutely true, just like it is true that if you switched the Ram's entire offense, QB and all, we would have won more games.
If you switch Rodgers for Stafford with that Ram offense it gets even better. This type of stuff never ends. People have opinions and that's all it is. If our D in 2017 which was ranked No 1, rankings don't always reflect the true story as we shut out the Packers for the first time because they had no QB, shut out Foles we would have been in the Super Bowl. They folded like a cheap suite. Then did the same thing when we were in the playoffs in 2019. They sat back and let that 49er team pound the rock down their throats. A good D shuts that ground game down. That's junk D. The Bengals did the complete opposite.There D wasn't No 1. But they played dam good ball in the playoffs. That's called getting hot at the right time.
This is absolutely true, just like it is true that if you switched the Ram's entire offense, QB and all, we would have won more games.
If you switch Rodgers for Stafford with that Ram offense it gets even better. This type of stuff never ends. People have opinions and that's all it is. If our D in 2017 which was ranked No 1, rankings don't always reflect the true story as we shut out the Packers for the first time because they had no QB, shut out Foles we would have been in the Super Bowl. They folded like a cheap suite. Then did the same thing when we were in the playoffs in 2019. They sat back and let that 49er team pound the rock down their throats. A good D shuts that ground game down. That's junk D. The Bengals did the complete opposite.There D wasn't No 1. But they played dam good ball in the playoffs. That's called getting hot at the right time.
Again, single, outlier games do not indicate trends. Saying our defense wasn't good in 2017 because they gave up points to the eventual SB champs in a game where the Viking's QB was gifting them TDs is like saying the Bengals D wasn't actually that good in the playoffs because they gave up the TD drive to lose the game.
Sometimes great defenses have bad matchups, have significant injuries or go up against a QB who had put up 0 film of him being successful in an offense and they get scored on. Sometimes the refs gift a team a fresh set of downs with a BS holding call. That doesn't change the fact that overall a defense was great the vast majority of the time during the season or that a D did a great job holding up for most of 4 games in the playoffs.
CharVike wrote: ↑Tue Feb 22, 2022 12:47 pm
If you switch Rodgers for Stafford with that Ram offense it gets even better. This type of stuff never ends. People have opinions and that's all it is. If our D in 2017 which was ranked No 1, rankings don't always reflect the true story as we shut out the Packers for the first time because they had no QB, shut out Foles we would have been in the Super Bowl. They folded like a cheap suite. Then did the same thing when we were in the playoffs in 2019. They sat back and let that 49er team pound the rock down their throats. A good D shuts that ground game down. That's junk D. The Bengals did the complete opposite.There D wasn't No 1. But they played dam good ball in the playoffs. That's called getting hot at the right time.
Again, single, outlier games do not indicate trends. Saying our defense wasn't good in 2017 because they gave up points to the eventual SB champs in a game where the Viking's QB was gifting them TDs is like saying the Bengals D wasn't actually that good in the playoffs because they gave up the TD drive to lose the game.
Sometimes great defenses have bad matchups, have significant injuries or go up against a QB who had put up 0 film of him being successful in an offense and they get scored on. Sometimes the refs gift a team a fresh set of downs with a BS holding call. That doesn't change the fact that overall a defense was great the vast majority of the time during the season or that a D did a great job holding up for most of 4 games in the playoffs.
2017 and 2019 are different years so how can it be one game. That 2017 D got ripped starting the 2nd half of the miracle game. Then Foles tore them apart. That's two games. Then in 2019 we couldn't hold the Saints down but Cosuins lead us to the win. You say Cousins never leads a comeback. Next game against the 49ers they laid down and lost the LOS battle. The got their a$$ kicked. Couldn't stop the run. You need to stand up and dominate the LOS. Get the mo back. They never got up. Do you need more. That looks like a trend to me. Bad playoff D. The Bengals played dam good in the playoffs on D regardless what you think.
StumpHunter wrote: ↑Tue Feb 22, 2022 1:26 pm
Again, single, outlier games do not indicate trends. Saying our defense wasn't good in 2017 because they gave up points to the eventual SB champs in a game where the Viking's QB was gifting them TDs is like saying the Bengals D wasn't actually that good in the playoffs because they gave up the TD drive to lose the game.
Sometimes great defenses have bad matchups, have significant injuries or go up against a QB who had put up 0 film of him being successful in an offense and they get scored on. Sometimes the refs gift a team a fresh set of downs with a BS holding call. That doesn't change the fact that overall a defense was great the vast majority of the time during the season or that a D did a great job holding up for most of 4 games in the playoffs.
2017 and 2019 are different years so how can it be one game. That 2017 D got ripped starting the 2nd half of the miracle game. Then Foles tore them apart. That's two games. Then in 2019 we couldn't hold the Saints down but Cosuins lead us to the win. You say Cousins never leads a comeback. Next game against the 49ers they laid down and lost the LOS battle. The got their a$$ kicked. Couldn't stop the run. You need to stand up and dominate the LOS. Get the mo back. They never got up. Do you need more. That looks like a trend to me. Bad playoff D. The Bengals played dam good in the playoffs on D regardless what you think.
So now you are using two individual games from two separate seasons to show a trend? Ignoring the context of what went on with the offense and STs in those games of course.
The Bengals did play good D in the playoffs, and the first half of the KC game and last drive of the SB don't change that. Those are blips on a successful trend.
VikingsVictorious wrote: ↑Mon Feb 21, 2022 9:45 am
Stump I want to revisit this quote from you as exhibit A why you are a horrible researcher.
And I am really sorry I look up numbers to backup what I say instead of just throwing things out there, but that isn't digging deeeeeep, it is backing up what I say with facts.
You should be really sorry you look up numbers to back up what you say. Those words are the very cardinal sin of bad research. You're not supposed to start with a premise/conclusion and then look for the stats/numbers that back it up. If you were a researcher working for a science company and they saw you do that you would probably get fired on the spot. You're supposed to look at all the evidence and come up with conclusions based on that.
I am not an impartial researcher and never claimed to be one. I have opinions, and unlike most fans, have the ability to confirm if those opinions could be correct based on the numbers.
You can then give your dissenting statistics to counter my point and we can agree to disagree.
It is the way this board is supposed to work, but instead people get all upset about dissenting opinions because they aren't secure enough in their own takes to let things go.
Thank you for finally acknowledging that you've been doing what I've been saying all along. Stump if you start out with a premise and look for stats to back it up that is the worst, most useless kind of research. However, thank you again for admitting it.
CharVike wrote: ↑Tue Feb 22, 2022 2:07 pm
2017 and 2019 are different years so how can it be one game. That 2017 D got ripped starting the 2nd half of the miracle game. Then Foles tore them apart. That's two games. Then in 2019 we couldn't hold the Saints down but Cosuins lead us to the win. You say Cousins never leads a comeback. Next game against the 49ers they laid down and lost the LOS battle. The got their a$$ kicked. Couldn't stop the run. You need to stand up and dominate the LOS. Get the mo back. They never got up. Do you need more. That looks like a trend to me. Bad playoff D. The Bengals played dam good in the playoffs on D regardless what you think.
So now you are using two individual games from two separate seasons to show a trend? Ignoring the context of what went on with the offense and STs in those games of course.
The Bengals did play good D in the playoffs, and the first half of the KC game and last drive of the SB don't change that. Those are blips on a successful trend.
I'm not ignoring anything. Zim's playoff D always sucked. They never went out there and said you won't move the ball today the games ours. That's what the Eagles and 49ers did to us. They folded and it was a trend in the football sense of a trend.
StumpHunter wrote: ↑Tue Feb 22, 2022 3:01 pm
So now you are using two individual games from two separate seasons to show a trend? Ignoring the context of what went on with the offense and STs in those games of course.
The Bengals did play good D in the playoffs, and the first half of the KC game and last drive of the SB don't change that. Those are blips on a successful trend.
I'm not ignoring anything. Zim's playoff D always sucked. They never went out there and said you won't move the ball today the games ours. That's what the Eagles and 49ers did to us. They folded and it was a trend in the football sense of a trend.
It always sucked, except in 2015 against Seattle, 2017 against the Saints when the Saints only put up 6 points off of drives that didn't start with a blocked punt or interception, or 2019 when they held the Saints to 20 points. So only didn't suck in the majority of playoff games.
Those 3 games were against the 5th, 2nd and 3rd best scoring offenses btw and the Vikings averaged giving up 17 ppg against them.
HOUSTON -- A grand jury on Friday declined to indict Houston Texans quarterback Deshaun Watson following a police investigation sparked by lawsuits filed by 22 women who have accused him of harassment and sexual assault.
Prosecutors from the district attorney's office in Harris County, Texas, presented evidence and testimony to the 12-person grand jury for over six hours on Friday related to nine of the 10 criminal complaints filed against Watson. The grand jury, which does not require a unanimous vote, rejected all nine cases; prosecutors did not present the 10th.
According to Johna Stallings, chief of the adult sex crimes and trafficking division with the Harris County District Attorney's Office, the grand jury's decision ended criminal proceedings related to Watson in Harris County, where Houston is located.
