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RandyMoss84 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 3:17 pm Barr is out for the season with a torn pec, no big loss, who is going to replace him?

J. Kapp 11 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 6:39 pm Let the kids play.

Troy Dye.

808vikingsfan wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 6:31 pm

RandyMoss84 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 3:17 pm Barr is out for the season with a torn pec, no big loss, who is going to replace him?

I think it's a big loss and the defense is going to be even worse now if that's possible.

J. Kapp 11 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 6:39 pm Let the kids play.

Troy Dye.

RandyMoss84 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 8:42 pm

808vikingsfan wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 6:31 pm

I think it's a big loss and the defense is going to be even worse now if that's possible.

Not really, Barr is too inconsistent

Pondering Her Percy wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 10:34 pm

RandyMoss84 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 8:42 pm

Not really, Barr is too inconsistent

Barr is a big loss no matter which way you put it. He knows the defense inside and out and calls the plays in the huddle.

The only real vet experience we really have along this defense at this point is Kendricks, Harry and Harris.

Ngakoue is new
Odenigbo has been invisible (I’ll eat crow there)
Our DTs are good at nothing
Eric Wilson blows.
A mystery at the other LB spot.
Two garbage corners gobbling up playing time while young guys sit the bench

This defense was already limited with what Zim could call. He even admitted he had to tone down the defensive calls due to the young guys. It’s now even more limited without Barr, if that was even possible.

Never did I think by week 3 of the 2020 season, we’d be without Hunter, Barr and Pierce. That’s our best overall defensive player in hunter, a defensive captain and play caller in Barr and easily our best DT without even watching him in a Vikings uni. Those are MASSIVE hits, no matter which way you put it

CharVike wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 10:58 pm

Pondering Her Percy wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 10:34 pm

Barr is a big loss no matter which way you put it. He knows the defense inside and out and calls the plays in the huddle.

The only real vet experience we really have along this defense at this point is Kendricks, Harry and Harris.

Ngakoue is new
Odenigbo has been invisible (I’ll eat crow there)
Our DTs are good at nothing
Eric Wilson blows.
A mystery at the other LB spot.
Two garbage corners gobbling up playing time while young guys sit the bench

This defense was already limited with what Zim could call. He even admitted he had to tone down the defensive calls due to the young guys. It’s now even more limited without Barr, if that was even possible.

Never did I think by week 3 of the 2020 season, we’d be without Hunter, Barr and Pierce. That’s our best overall defensive player in hunter, a defensive captain and play caller in Barr and easily our best DT without even watching him in a Vikings uni. Those are MASSIVE hits, no matter which way you put it

Our two CBs are first year starters. I wouldn't call them garbage yet. Rodgers ripped them but he also never was touched. You need to bring some heat. The 49ers controlled Rodgers because they got after him. Zero pressure no CB plays well.

Pondering Her Percy wrote: ↑Tue Sep 22, 2020 5:50 am

CharVike wrote: ↑Mon Sep 21, 2020 10:58 pm
Our two CBs are first year starters. I wouldn't call them garbage yet. Rodgers ripped them but he also never was touched. You need to bring some heat. The 49ers controlled Rodgers because they got after him. Zero pressure no CB plays well.

Pressure was 100% a factor as well. However I don’t believe hill or Hughes have a ceiling any higher than “average”. Hughes should be in the nickel and hill should be the rotational guy on the outside in my opinion. I want to see gladney and dantzler on the outside. There will be mistakes but they both have much higher ceilings at the same time IMO

CharVike wrote: ↑Tue Sep 22, 2020 6:32 am

Pondering Her Percy wrote: ↑Tue Sep 22, 2020 5:50 am

Pressure was 100% a factor as well. However I don’t believe hill or Hughes have a ceiling any higher than “average”. Hughes should be in the nickel and hill should be the rotational guy on the outside in my opinion. I want to see gladney and dantzler on the outside. There will be mistakes but they both have much higher ceilings at the same time IMO

I agree with what you said about average as the top end. The problem with throwing the kids out there and our inability to generate a pass rush is that they will get smoked and it could ruin them right off the bat. But at this point it might not be a bad idea and it could work the other way to. Pass rush is the key. I thought they might turn Barr into an edge rusher but I guess that's not in the plan.

Pondering Her Percy wrote: ↑Tue Sep 22, 2020 7:52 am

CharVike wrote: ↑Tue Sep 22, 2020 6:32 am
I agree with what you said about average as the top end. The problem with throwing the kids out there and our inability to generate a pass rush is that they will get smoked and it could ruin them right off the bat. But at this point it might not be a bad idea and it could work the other way to. Pass rush is the key. I thought they might turn Barr into an edge rusher but I guess that's not in the plan.

I'm just hoping at this point that Hunter is back after this week and we dont find out that he's out for a long stretch or done for the year. I really want to see him and Ngakoue together. And Ngakoue has still yet to play a full game. I would think he's up to snuff by this weeks game.

But yeah I agree you could kill some confidence with these rookie corners but I'm not sure if I could see them being as bad as Hughes and Hill have been. At least Dantzler in week 1 was all over who he was on. Hughes and Hill have been getting twisted inside and out.