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I don't know why but this reeks of desperation.

Dirtyswabby wrote:http://www.twincities.com/sports/ci_250 ... hing-staff

I don't know why but this reeks of desperation.

At this point, it's just more posturing from Kluwe's attorney in the wake of the decision to keep Priefer on the coaching staff. It was inevitable. If/when they actually make a legal move that will be much more interesting.

Mothman wrote: At this point, it's just more posturing from Kluwe's attorney in the wake of the decision to keep Priefer on the coaching staff. It was inevitable. If/when they actually make a legal move that will be much more interesting.

I Agree with you about the posturing. I honestly think they don't have enough evidence. The wilfs are business men, if these acusations actually held any water I think we would have seen the team make a move to protect their intrests, since there hasn't been a move I can only assume the evidence just isn't there. IMO.

i didnt think i could despise Kluwe anymore than i did, he needs to go away.

Unfortunately for Kluwe, even if Priefer made those comments he's unlikely to receive compensation unless he can prove that Priefer's personal beliefs against homosexuality was the main contributor in being fired which will be much more difficult to prove. Priefer has no control over the roster and therefore has no ability to hire and fire Kluwe which is a crucial element in wrongful termination lawsuits. Now he can try to sue for workplace harassment but unless he can prove that the Vikings organization as a whole knew of this behavior and accepted it, he won't have much there either.

He needs to just go away and go play with his pals

Valhalla wrote:This situation could be seen down the road as Zimmer's first big managerial decision. At least one of them.

While there's no doubt that Zimmer gave his OK, he didn't make this decision.

Dirtyswabby wrote:http://www.twincities.com/sports/ci_250 ... hing-staff

I don't know why but this reeks of desperation.

Not being privy to the evidence, I have no strong opinion of who is telling the truth and who isn't. But at the risk of stating the obvious, let me point out that if we didn't have so many bigots in this society, this wouldn't even be an issue. That's the real problem here -- that there are those who still want to play God about the sex life of consenting adults. Indeed, it is a blot on our society that there have still been no openly gay athletes on an active roster in one of the four major professional team sports. Talk about being mired in a primitive age.

I'm going to give both Kluwe and the special teams' coach the benefit of the doubt because of the lack of evidence either way. But I look forward to a time when religion and intolerance are no longer associated with each other. As someone who loves religion as much as I hate intolerance, that time can't come too soon for me.

DanAS wrote:But at the risk of stating the obvious, let me point out that if we didn't have so many bigots in this society, this wouldn't even be an issue. That's the real problem here -- that there are those who still want to play God about the sex life of consenting adults.

That may well be a problem, but it has NOTHING to do with the issue at hand, despite how desperately Kluwe and the PC crowd want to make it so.

Hate to say it but #### him.

Eli wrote: That may well be a problem, but it has NOTHING to do with the issue at hand, despite how desperately Kluwe and the PC crowd want to make it so.

There are multiple issues here. And I think the proper stances on them are pretty clear: Kluwe's punting was mediocre. We don't know the facts as to who said what in that locker room. And speaking of locker rooms, there's a big problem with homophobia.

What does "PC" have to do with this topic? Political correctness is a relevant point when people, say, get oversensitive about stuff that should be ignored. Homophobia is a problem -- a real problem. It's not "PC" to try to eradicate it, any more than it is "PC" to try to fight racism. It is PC, by contrast, to go crazy every time someone tells an off-color joke.

I celebrate Kluwe for taking a stand about an important social issue. I also commend him for supporting Ray Guy's candidacy for the Hall. But as for his punting prowess, I have no reason to say he got screwed by the Vikings because the stats don't necessarily bear out his qualification as the best guy for the job, particularly given that you could get a replacement for less money who figured to be just as good. As for whether, de facto, he was discriminated against because of his political views, that was where I said that we lack the facts to truly judge the issue.

This issue has nothing to do with homophobia or Kluwe's effectiveness as a punter. It has everything to do with Kluwe being a smarmy little locker room blowhard who rubbed the wrong people the wrong way. If Kluwe and his minions have convinced you that it's for some other reason, then there's no sense in trying to convince you otherwise.

Eli wrote:This issue has nothing to do with homophobia or Kluwe's effectiveness as a punter.

So, both the Vikings and Kluwe are lying about why he was let go?

It has everything to do with Kluwe being a smarmy little locker room blowhard who rubbed the wrong people the wrong way.

Ah, if only he had rubbed Priefer the right way.

Funkytown wrote: So, both the Vikings and Kluwe are lying about why he was let go?

How can Kluwe "lie" about why he was let go? He can't know. He can only make claims.

Eli wrote: How can Kluwe "lie" about why he was let go? He can't know. He can only make claims.

Good point. So, the Vikings are lying about why they let him go? ...point for Kluwe?