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Vikes-Browns Preview
Posted: Thu Sep 19, 2013 7:54 am
by dead_poet
It's safe to say you can ignore the bit about Richardson.
http://firststopfantasy.com/nfl-teams/m ... 0-3-start/
I talk Vikings stuff: @KC_Vikes
Re: Vikes-Browns Preview
Posted: Thu Sep 19, 2013 9:40 am
by Crax
Can you not edit the richardson stuff out?
You've done a good job on these. Couple things I noticed reading through that you could fix if you wanted:
Bonus stat of some relevance! – The Browns have allowed 11 sacks AT 51 total pressures in two games
Probably should be "and".
From the "Decimated Defense" section
In recent years, opposing teams could throw in the Vikings with ease
I think it should be "against"
Re: Vikes-Browns Preview
Posted: Thu Sep 19, 2013 10:09 am
by dead_poet
Thanks. I have a note in to the web guy. I don't have content upload control.
Re: Vikes-Browns Preview
Posted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 8:12 am
by dead_poet
I think it's been edited so I look like less of a dumbass. Not much, but slightly.
Re: Vikes-Browns Preview
Posted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 10:04 am
by Crax
Nah, you do a good job. Just figured I'd let you know. I know it would bug me once I noticed it. I'm surprised you can't post/edit your own stuff. Many cms type systems have all the functionality built in
Re: Vikes-Browns Preview
Posted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 10:51 am
by The Breeze
GBFavreFan wrote:This is what I think. We are in the worst position possible going into this game. We are 0-2. Our QB needs to go. We face a jobber team who are starting a 3rd string QB and traded away their top RB and #1 offensive player. There's no way we win from this scenario.
If we were 2-0, this would be great, we'd make it 3-0. If we were 1-1, that'd be awesome too, since we'd go to 2-1. But at 0-2, we're avoiding 0-3 by playing the worst team that will be on an NFL this Sunday. (jerk off motion) Because these Browns are bringing a knife to a gun fight, if we don't win by at least 20 points, then there is something seriously wrong. And what sucks is I imagine the sidelines dumping Gatorade on Frazier for this win and people acting like all of our problems are solved after this game.
And that's why this stinks, by winning we've just given Ponder even more life, and if he has a "good" game, it might justify him long enough to finish the season. His yards/wins/completion stats is what people cling to in justifying him starting, and this Browns game will only give them more ammo. But because this Browns team will be so incredibly weak, even destroying the Browns 50-0 will mean absolutely nothing except for fantasy football players. it will not be any sort of sign that the Vikings are back in "playoff" form, or that Ponder "figured it all out" or anything like that. The only significance this game will have is if the Vikings barely win or actually lose. And in those scenarios will warrant pushing the panic button.
The lose-lose nature of this game is just more effects of those ridiculous losses to the Bears and Lions. I look forward to finding out the scores after the game, because to put any positive meaning into any specific gameplay is wasted energy that could easily be dispelled next week. This is not a test of how good the Vikings are, it's only a test of how bad we might be. All because we enter 0-2. Depressing ...
I don't think anyone will be dumping Gatorade on Fraizer this season.
I'm all for Ponder finishing the season and be given all the leeway to prove without a doubt what he is as far as QBs go. Make the best effort to run an offense that plays to his strengths and let him play. If he falls short before the season is done put in the 3rd stringer and find out what you actually have there also.
The stagnation in the development of players for this team, on both sides of the ball, over the last 8 years or so is completely disheartening. I don't want to see an 8-8 season with Matt Cassel at the helm at al. If Ponder gets it together and they make a run for the playoffs, Cassel is a good backup...but short of that I'm looking for Ponder to improve or they completely go in another direction. I don't care if that means losing 10 games in the process. This team has glaring holes on the o-line and most of the defense. Why everything is taking so long to develop is a real issue considering how "simple" a system they run.
Personally, I think they have several starters who don't fit what they're trying to do. And just maybe, what they're trying to do is questionable when one considers the way they are trying to do it.... IDK.
They can still be successful, they're 0-2 in two close division road games...but they could be a heck of a lot better just from a fundamental standpoint.
just stating the obvious ....
Re: Vikes-Browns Preview
Posted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 11:29 am
by The Breeze
@GBFavreFan
I am slowly moving away from the perspective that this team is on track due to the lack of fundamental efficiency in the blocking and tackling department. Ponder is Ponder and the QB is the most important position due to it's effect on every play. But he doesn't make tackles or rush the QB. he doesn't block blitzing LBs or cover TEs. He doesn't set the scheme and make decisions on who plays for the defense, or offense.
This team got incredibly lucky with injuries, close games, and AD last season...10-6.
The season before they were unlucky in all 3 ...3-13.
They are not aggressive enough on either side of the ball and often don't look like they even know what the hell they're supposed to be doing at critical times of the game as far as blocking and covering go.
Ponder's play is a problem...for sure, but it's not the only one by a longshot. Just the most obvious because of the position he plays.
just my opinion... and I get your point. Hopefully you are correct....I'm just getting more dubious about the coaches ability to do anything other than create a friendly atmosphere.
Re: Vikes-Browns Preview
Posted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 11:33 am
by mansquatch
IMO, the big risk in this game is the Vikings Coaching Staff over thinking things. CLE strength is the front 7 of their defense, IE their run defense. Their secondary is TERRIBLE. This is a game to let Ponder gain some confidence and see if he can throw against a bad defensive backfield. Let the WR make some plays and gain some confidence. Or Cliff Notes version: Learn from the mistakes made against Detroit.
If Ponder sucks it up in this game, then IMO it is time to bench him. If there was ever a “tune up” game, this is it. If Ponder is terrible here, then it’s time to either just let him play without restraint and see if he sinks or swims or bench him for Cassel to try and salvage the season. Frankly if they are going to bench Ponder, then they should put in MBT and play for a draft pick. I know they want to be competitive and all of that, but they need to solve the QB issue and they are not going to do that picking out of the top 3. Honestly, I’m more in favor of 1-15. Get the stupid QB issue solved.
FWIW, I think he is going to get better on Sunday. But I know I’m in the minority and I get why those in the majority think the way they do. Ponder needs to show something real soon.
Re: Vikes-Browns Preview
Posted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 12:14 pm
by dead_poet
mansquatch wrote:Their secondary is TERRIBLE. This is a game to let Ponder gain some confidence and see if he can throw against a bad defensive backfield.
Joe Haden is a stud.
Re: Vikes-Browns Preview
Posted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 12:34 pm
by Purple bruise
GBFavreFan wrote:This is what I think. We are in the worst position possible going into this game. We are 0-2. Our QB needs to go. We face a jobber team who are starting a 3rd string QB and traded away their top RB and #1 offensive player. There's no way we win from this scenario.
If we were 2-0, this would be great, we'd make it 3-0. If we were 1-1, that'd be awesome too, since we'd go to 2-1. But at 0-2, we're avoiding 0-3 by playing the worst team that will be on an NFL this Sunday. (jerk off motion) Because these Browns are bringing a knife to a gun fight, if we don't win by at least 20 points, then there is something seriously wrong. And what sucks is I imagine the sidelines dumping Gatorade on Frazier for this win and people acting like all of our problems are solved after this game.
And that's why this stinks, by winning we've just given Ponder even more life, and if he has a "good" game, it might justify him long enough to finish the season. His yards/wins/completion stats is what people cling to in justifying him starting, and this Browns game will only give them more ammo. But because this Browns team will be so incredibly weak, even destroying the Browns 50-0 will mean absolutely nothing except for fantasy football players. it will not be any sort of sign that the Vikings are back in "playoff" form, or that Ponder "figured it all out" or anything like that. The only significance this game will have is if the Vikings barely win or actually lose. And in those scenarios will warrant pushing the panic button.
The lose-lose nature of this game is just more effects of those ridiculous losses to the Bears and Lions. I look forward to finding out the scores after the game, because to put any positive meaning into any specific gameplay is wasted energy that could easily be dispelled next week. This is not a test of how good the Vikings are, it's only a test of how bad we might be. All because we enter 0-2. Depressing ...
The Browns are soooo weak huh
They have the fifth ranked overall defense in the league. They are #4 in rushing defense and they are ranked # ll in Pass defense. You watch and tell me how many games the Bears and Lions lose on their home field this year. You say those losses where ridiculous. What, you were suprised that the Vikes would lose to the Bears and the lions away from home?
Re: Vikes-Browns Preview
Posted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 1:26 pm
by NextQuestion
I was talking to my brother about this and we're in agreement. It's hard to take the Vikings seriously with Ponder as the QB.
Re: Vikes-Browns Preview
Posted: Fri Sep 20, 2013 1:30 pm
by Purple bruise
NextQuestion wrote:I was talking to my brother about this and we're in agreement. It's hard to take the Vikings seriously with Ponder as the QB.
Wow even your brother huh
Have him call Zygi and give him the news
Re: Vikes-Browns Preview
Posted: Sat Sep 21, 2013 1:56 am
by Demi
Vikes fans pumping up Browns so if we win OMG look how good we are, we miracle lose, WOW they're good. Give me a break. This is a guaranteed win. Browns are garbage. Laughable homer nonsense going on that we might lose at home against them. get a grip.
Re: Vikes-Browns Preview
Posted: Sat Sep 21, 2013 12:50 pm
by mondry
There defense is above average but I wouldn't expect them to score more than 15 points without us helping them a lot in the turn over department. I mean look at us recently, our offense was terrible but we got a sack fumble TD and special teams TD to get up to a respectable 30 points.
If the Vikes play well we'll win comfortably, if they play average it might be a close win, if they stink it up we could actually lose, that's about how I see it. No excuses there, but it is the NFL and any given sunday applies. I'd probably disown the Vikings though if they blow this game.