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danewone wrote:

Uh, because we would've had to trade up to secure him and there's probably a 95% chance we wouldn't have offered up as much as Washington did to do it. And we just spent a first-rounder on a QB the year before that didn't get first-team reps or see the field until the second half of the season.

I understand the frustration, but barring firing the entire coaching staff/regime there was no way any team in our position would've given up MORE than Washington in a rebuilding effort where draft picks are at such a premium with a first-round QB already on the roster. And probably not even then. It's not worth getting worked up about because, honestly, it wasn't a realistic option.

i'm so tired of hearing about that washington game last season and how it would have led to the vikings drafting RGIII. the bottom line is, you win every game you can if you are truly a professional athlete (AP could have sat out that game and wouldn't have been injured but he didn't). there were questions about RGIII and some still exist even though he's having a good year. this is total hindsight and as a previous poster mentioned, it would have been silly to give up that much to move up in the draft.

we need to build build build. we reached on ponder, but hopefully we can snag someone in free agency or through a trade. i would be against taking another QB in the draft unless we can get a hidden gem in the later rounds. the rebuilding must continue, the vikings aren't a serious SB contender and probably won't be next year either.

Lock this thread. Stupid, stupid, stupid.

All I remember is Washington was doing everything to lose, and coach stupid was falling into the trap, and nearly destroyed the best player we ever stumbled upon. Washington had a strategy in the second half of the season, Shannahan knew he needed a QB, and winning would make the purchase nearly impossible. I have always been an advocate of intentionally losing once it becomes clear the playoffs are not happening. I would rather we lose if the coaching staff is too stubborn to address the gigantic elephant in the room.

joe h wrote:Washington had a strategy in the second half of the season, Shannahan knew he needed a QB, and winning would make the purchase nearly impossible.

It's absurd to think Shannahan – or any NFL head coach – would purposefully tank games. Absurd.

I have always been an advocate of intentionally losing once it becomes clear the playoffs are not happening

Sorry, but I find this train of thought disgusting. As a fan, if I knew this was happening, I'd be furious and embarrassed in my franchise. You play to win games. How do you call yourself a coach (or a man) if you tell your team to take a dive to secure higher draft picks? Players (and coaches) have too much on the line season-to-season to fool with this ridiculousness.

joe h wrote:I have always been an advocate of intentionally losing once it becomes clear the playoffs are not happening.

If I ever find out that you are coaching my kid at anything, I will take my kid so far away from you so fast you won't know what happened.

Usually what ends up happening is you lose the locker room, but you cannot tell me Shannahan was playing his A game on our final drive, or even for most of the second half. Or that Frazier was playing to win against the Bears.

joe h wrote:you cannot tell me Shannahan was playing his A game on our final drive, or even for most of the second half. Or that Frazier was playing to win against the Bears.

Right. Shannahan told his guys to scale it back to 50%. Because that's realistic.

I'm sure Frazier was playing to lose, too. Told Ponder to be awful and throw interceptions in the red zone to decrease chances of playoffs and his job to secure a higher draft pick. But he didn't mention that part of the plan to Peterson. Wanted that part to look legit.

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Forget RG3, it was impossible. BUT, Russell Wilson was available and he was picked in the 3rd round by the Seahawks well after we picked Josh Robinson. We had a legit shot of getting Matt Kalil, Harrison Smith AND Russell Wilson to boot! That would have been the lottery picks of lottery picks. Hindsight is 20/20 but the Hawks saw something in Wilson to the point that he started over Matt Flynn right off the bat. We could have had Russell Wilson start after Ponder stunk it up against the Bucs a few weeks back, or even against the Bears last week. Everyone knows RG3 was damn near impossible, but how good does it sound now to have Russell Wilson QB'ing for us right about now?

he wouldve been awesome.......

We didn't pass up on RG3, we passed up on Russell Wilson.

It doesn't matter that we passed on Wilson either (at least this season). The rookie 3rd round QB would still be on the bench, probably behind Webb.

I always said he'd be on the bench to begin with, but he'd be a realistic starter by now.