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Re: Adrian Peterson (not) Reinstated

Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 12:07 pm
by The Breeze
fiestavike wrote: Even just on the front end, If Peterson's contract stood as is in Dallas he would make about 1.3 million more dollars this year than he would as a Viking. But the real issue with players of Peterson's caliber is the money on the backend (sponsorships that can pay for the the rest of your life after football). And although its just speculation, it makes a lot of sense to me that this is the biggest issue Peterson is weighing in not wanting to be in Minnesota where his brand is tarnished. After his playing career he will likely make a lot more money in Dallas than he would in Minnesota, where whether you agree with the portrayal or not, he is viewed as a child abuser. That seems to be the predominant view of the public and the press in Vikingland. A couple strong seasons in Dallas? maybe a 2000 yard campaign or a superbowl? He becomes a money magnet, all without the taint he carries in Minnesota.
Jim made the point about his Brand awhile back and it is a significant issue. Yeah, if he wound up with a fresh start in a different market he'd be happy, I'm sure. Makes me think he'd be willing to play for cheap, real cheap, in Dallas just to have that chance.

The current standoff is pretty similar to what Carson Palmer had going in Cincy a few years back. The Vikes would be in a much better position as far as getting fair trade value if AD was a QB, obviously......perhaps his reinstatement will spur some serious offers?

Re: Adrian Peterson (not) Reinstated

Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 1:54 pm
by Mothman
The Breeze wrote:The current standoff is pretty similar to what Carson Palmer had going in Cincy a few years back. The Vikes would be in a much better position as far as getting fair trade value if AD was a QB, obviously......perhaps his reinstatement will spur some serious offers?
It might... I imagine his status on the exempt list might give some interested teams pause.

Re: Adrian Peterson (not) Reinstated

Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2015 1:55 pm
by Mothman
Cliff wrote: Yeah, I don't see it either. I'm just talking in the hypothetical because there's nothing real going on :(
I understand. I think my brain just doesn't want to go there... the idea of a really prolonged holdout is enough to give me nightmares. Plus, I don't think I can talk about this for another 6+ months! :)

Re: Adrian Peterson (not) Reinstated

Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2015 9:26 am
by soflavike
I have reached a point where I no longer give a damn what happens with Peterson. If he suits up and plays for the Vikes, great! If he goes somewhere else, fine! If he holds out like a dummy, it's all good! We can move on, if we need to.

:govikes:

Re: Adrian Peterson (not) Reinstated

Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2015 10:39 am
by chicagopurple
Yeah, I am sick and tired of his Diva act. He just got paid Millions by Wilf to do absolutley nothing but sit on his behind and embarrass the the team. He should be eternally grateful and do everything ha can to help make the Vikes a champion. Instead, he cries", Boo-Hoo, poor me, I am not appreciated by my city!". Time to move on.

Re: Adrian Peterson (not) Reinstated

Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2015 11:16 am
by The Breeze
chicagopurple wrote:Yeah, I am sick and tired of his Diva act. He just got paid Millions by Wilf to do absolutley nothing but sit on his behind and embarrass the the team. He should be eternally grateful and do everything ha can to help make the Vikes a champion. Instead, he cries", Boo-Hoo, poor me, I am not appreciated by my city!". Time to move on.

I feel so bad for the Wilfs and the Vikings and all the losses they endured by paying Adrian while being on the exempt list last season, and the money lost by paying Rudolph while injured etc. :roll:

Salary is a sunk cost and owners do not lose money because of salary....the salary cap number is figured right into to the profits. They have a racket. Peterson has made more money for this franchise than he will ever cost them. Any danger of that was resolved in week 3 of last season when the Wilfs capitulated to sponsors regarding playing AD.


NFL teams split $6B in revenue

NFL teams, for the first time, equally divided more than $6 billion in revenue last season.

That's according to financials released by the Green Bay Packers on Thursday afternoon.

The Packers said they received $187.7 million in national revenue, which is mostly derived from the league's television rights. The Packers' total represents 3.1 percent, or 1/32nd, of the overall pie.


http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11200 ... financials


Because the Packers are publicly owned they have to disclose stuff like this, but the rest of the owners have refused for years to open up their books because they make a total killing and the average player gets completely screwed in terms of compensation vs what they give.

Re: Adrian Peterson (not) Reinstated

Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2015 11:57 am
by Mothman
The Breeze wrote:
I feel so bad for the Wilfs and the Vikings and all the losses they endured by paying Adrian while being on the exempt list last season, and the money lost by paying Rudolph while injured etc. :roll:

Salary is a sunk cost and owners do not lose money because of salary....the salary cap number is figured right into to the profits. They have a racket. Peterson has made more money for this franchise than he will ever cost them. Any danger of that was resolved in week 3 of last season when the Wilfs capitulated to sponsors regarding playing AD.


NFL teams split $6B in revenue

NFL teams, for the first time, equally divided more than $6 billion in revenue last season.

That's according to financials released by the Green Bay Packers on Thursday afternoon.

The Packers said they received $187.7 million in national revenue, which is mostly derived from the league's television rights. The Packers' total represents 3.1 percent, or 1/32nd, of the overall pie.


http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11200 ... financials


Because the Packers are publicly owned they have to disclose stuff like this, but the rest of the owners have refused for years to open up their books because they make a total killing and the average player gets completely screwed in terms of compensation vs what they give.
Well said. :appl:

Re: Adrian Peterson (not) Reinstated

Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2015 12:22 pm
by PurpleKoolaid
It would be nice if we were able to trade him. I want this season to be more about the growth of the young team, not AD. He has had the spotlight for so long, and now, doesnt want anything to do with the Vikings (or he would have told his agent to stfu). It really is time to move on, its not worth all the drama that he will cause if he is with us for 1 more year. Because I doubt he's going to be a happy camper if he stays, heck he may just sit out part of the season. I want to remember him for what he's done on the field for us. Not for being an egotistical baby.

It would be nice to get a 1st round pick for him. Theres so many things we could do with it, including picking up Gorden or Gurley (I would prefer Gordon, but Ive seen him run a lot more then Gurley). Or maybe get a Guard and CB with the first round picks and wait and see who the best RB is left for the second pick. Even though its hard to swallow drafting an RB in the first round. At least for me.

Re: Adrian Peterson (not) Reinstated

Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2015 5:00 pm
by S197
The Breeze wrote:
I feel so bad for the Wilfs and the Vikings and all the losses they endured by paying Adrian while being on the exempt list last season, and the money lost by paying Rudolph while injured etc. :roll:

Salary is a sunk cost and owners do not lose money because of salary....the salary cap number is figured right into to the profits. They have a racket. Peterson has made more money for this franchise than he will ever cost them. Any danger of that was resolved in week 3 of last season when the Wilfs capitulated to sponsors regarding playing AD.


NFL teams split $6B in revenue

NFL teams, for the first time, equally divided more than $6 billion in revenue last season.

That's according to financials released by the Green Bay Packers on Thursday afternoon.

The Packers said they received $187.7 million in national revenue, which is mostly derived from the league's television rights. The Packers' total represents 3.1 percent, or 1/32nd, of the overall pie.


http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11200 ... financials


Because the Packers are publicly owned they have to disclose stuff like this, but the rest of the owners have refused for years to open up their books because they make a total killing and the average player gets completely screwed in terms of compensation vs what they give.
If owner's don't lose any money over salary then why was the Packer's profits slashed by more than half last year? The average player in the NFL makes $1.9 million per year. $25 million per year in profits when your average salary is $1.9 million per employee is a racket?

I get the gist of your post, it's a business and we shouldn't feel sorry for the owners, they're making out rather well. Fair enough. But it's not like the players are walking away impoverished either. I don't feel sorry for either side, it's a business and both sides went in knowing what they were getting into.

Re: Adrian Peterson (not) Reinstated

Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2015 6:03 pm
by The Breeze
S197 wrote:
If owner's don't lose any money over salary then why was the Packer's profits slashed by more than half last year? The average player in the NFL makes $1.9 million per year. $25 million per year in profits when your average salary is $1.9 million per employee is a racket?

I get the gist of your post, it's a business and we shouldn't feel sorry for the owners, they're making out rather well. Fair enough. But it's not like the players are walking away impoverished either. I don't feel sorry for either side, it's a business and both sides went in knowing what they were getting into.
Assuming I understood the article correctly: The packers 'local profit' was slashed...yet it was still augmented by a 1/32 share of $6billion(over $180m) and the number is about to go up next season...due to the renewal of the new CBS and direct tv deals. They have 2 streams of income....one is guaranteed gravy of well over $150m per season. There is no real risk, especially with the salary cap. It's an insanely good deal for the owners, because they don't actually have to perform well to profit. The Packers big dip was due to the 3 big salaries they took on last season.....not sure how it goes for them beyond.

Players have to perform to earn their money or they get cut. The average player does not have significant guaranteed money and they are the ones putting their bodies on the line so even owners who consistently field crappy teams(raiders, jags, rams etc) can stick their hand out for over $100million of media sourced profit sharing money.

While the average player gets $1.9m...there is a guy or 3 on nearly every team making at least $10m and up to $20m in some cases....which means there are a lot of guys not actually making $1.9m.(packers had 51 players making less) Not that they aren't making a decent living compared to you or me( I make about $10,000)....but when you look at who does the actual work and risk, versus who is getting the lion share of the profit, it's not exactly a fair situation for every player. And yes, it's the situation they have collectively bargained for(although ownership never opens up their books) so, I don't advocate feeling sorry for any of them on either end. I do think the NFLPA could do better....but would much rather see the league limit it's own profits and do some real good in the world. (entirely different can of worms)

I just get tired of hearing about players who 'owe' their team something extra based on a contract as if it's some sort of financial imposition for ownership...cause it's not. And in the case of Adrian Peterson and the Wilfs: the Vikings aren't even the Wilfs only stream of multi-million $ yearly income.

It's utter nonsense, to me, to suggest in any way that Peterson has somehow screwed the Wilfs out of money or that he owes them something out of loyalty or anything else because they paid him last season.

That's my basic point.....not to feel sorry for him.



Edit to add: The Packers overall profit was less.....their local profit was actually up 6%
Local revenues for the Packers were $136.3 million, up 6.4 percent from last season. Factoring in expenses of $298.5 million, the Packers pulled in a $25.5 million profit, down nearly 53 percent from last season.

Murphy said the main reason for the decline were player costs of $171 million. The team signed big contracts with Aaron Rodgers, Clay Matthews, Julius Peppers and Sam Shields, parts of which were included in this fiscal year.

Re: Adrian Peterson (not) Reinstated

Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2015 8:15 am
by dead_poet
Adrian Peterson - RB - Vikings

SI's Peter King calls the Jaguars his "upset special" team that could trade for Adrian Peterson.

It's an obvious long shot, as King notes, but the Jaguars are still $32 million-plus under the cap and flirted with DeMarco Murray in free agency as they search for a foundation back. However, the Jaguars weren't willing to meet Murray's $8 million-per-year asking price, so it's hard to see them trading a premium draft pick and paying Peterson's $12.75 million salary.
Source: Sports Illustrated
http://mmqb.si.com/2015/04/08/adrian-pe ... kings-nfl/

Re: Adrian Peterson (not) Reinstated

Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2015 8:36 am
by Norv Zimmer
There is no way the jags trade their first for ap. I would take their 2nd 3rd and 2nd next year :)

Re: Adrian Peterson (not) Reinstated

Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2015 8:43 am
by dead_poet
Norv Zimmer wrote:There is no way the jags trade their first for ap. I would take their 2nd 3rd and 2nd next year :)
No way. I'd doubt that'd even be entertained. Frankly I'd be surprised the Jags are even entertaining the idea at this point. But it would be a bit bittersweet to trade AD to a team even further away from a Super Bowl.

Re: Adrian Peterson (not) Reinstated

Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2015 9:16 am
by chicagopurple
I never said I felt bad for Wilf...I just said I have no respect or concern for APs mental Boo-Boo's. He just got paid Millions to sit on his behind and do nothing. His attitude is one of a spoiled Diva.....and I and many people are ready to move on and focus on the Vikes working and winning as a team.

Re: Adrian Peterson (not) Reinstated

Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2015 9:46 am
by soflavike
chicagopurple wrote:I never said I felt bad for Wilf...I just said I have no respect or concern for APs mental Boo-Boo's. He just got paid Millions to sit on his behind and do nothing. His attitude is one of a spoiled Diva.....and I and many people are ready to move on and focus on the Vikes working and winning as a team.
Well, to be fair, he did spend some of that down time smoking weed, so he wasn't exactly doing "nothing". :mrgreen: