Lions @ Vikings post game

[Pondering Her Percy]

For someone who thinks they have such a keen understanding of how other people think, you sure do lack self awareness of your own issues.

Whatever you think "my issues" are, I honestly couldnt care any less.

This good fan, bad fan crap is getting so old.

And you twisting around and manipulating peoples words is getting old. Never said anyone was a "bad" fan. I referred to the negativity. And saying good teams just play bad against us....like really?

Just don't come at your fellow fans claiming the offense is great when the results indicate anything but

Remember the manipulating peoples words thing I mentioned above? Yeah. Never once said the offense was great. You just assume that's what I'm thinking so you have an argument.

the now is saying this offense has taken a step back from last year and a significant step back from 2019 and 2020.

Dude you're judging FULL seasons and FULL bodies of work and comparing them to THREE games under a new regime. How in any way is that fair? I can tell you it's not. So dont even go there with me.

[StanM]

The offense is just as bland as last year. And the D could even be worse. We wont always find good teams playing bad against us.

lol man I swear with some of you guys. Like it literally pains you to give any credit. I'm having a hard time figuring out if some of you actually want the Vikings to win, or would rather have them lose so you can say "I told ya so" about this guy or that guy. Like we're 2-1, 2-0 in the division and here you are now saying "good teams played bad against us" Like give me a break. How about you actually give credit to the team that won the game. If we lose, you complain. If we win, you make up bogus reasons why it shouldn't be a win and continue to complain. Like holy hell it gets old. We're 3 games into a season with an entirely new regime. The Vikings are 2-1 and have a legitimate shot to start off 4-1. Chill out and be happy

I'm waiting for the negative ones to reach their limit and bail out on the Vikings so we can all have a better experience when we visit this board. Surely as miserable as they are they'll be out of here soon. After all, I was a Colts fan before the Vikings came to Minnesota in 1961. That's how we had to roll before the Vikings existed, cheer for other teams. There's nothing holding anyone back if the current state of the Vikings is causing them mental distress.

[Pondering Her Percy]

lol man I swear with some of you guys. Like it literally pains you to give any credit. I'm having a hard time figuring out if some of you actually want the Vikings to win, or would rather have them lose so you can say "I told ya so" about this guy or that guy. Like we're 2-1, 2-0 in the division and here you are now saying "good teams played bad against us" Like give me a break. How about you actually give credit to the team that won the game. If we lose, you complain. If we win, you make up bogus reasons why it shouldn't be a win and continue to complain. Like holy hell it gets old. We're 3 games into a season with an entirely new regime. The Vikings are 2-1 and have a legitimate shot to start off 4-1. Chill out and be happy

I'm waiting for the negative ones to reach their limit and bail out on the Vikings so we can all have a better experience when we visit this board. Surely as miserable as they are they'll be out of here soon. After all, I was a Colts fan before the Vikings came to Minnesota in 1961. That's how we had to roll before the Vikings existed, cheer for other teams. There's nothing holding anyone back if the current state of the Vikings is causing them mental distress.

lol seriously! If a stranger came on here, by judging peoples comments, you'd think we're 0-3 and a dumpster fire. We're 2-1 and 2-0 in the division under a new regime. Sure things havent been sunshine and rainbows but given who we opened up with our first 3 games, if someone told me we'd be 2-1, 2-0 in the division, have a 4th quarter comeback that didnt end in the defense blowing it, all under a new regime, I'd be very happy with that. There are so many teams, yes even the "great" ones, that are getting "ugly wins" or are suffering really ugly losses. I swear guys are literally hunting for excuses to discredit our 2-1 record.

[makila]

I think being a Vikings fan conditions you to a certain level of negativity. Hahaha. It's funny, and hurts, cause it's true.

We are 2-1. It's the nfl. Wins are often very thin lines. As long as we win, I don't care how it happens. Is that a short term transactional view? Probably.

What I don't want to do is live in mediocrity, which I look more at the wilfs for their view on the team for that responsibility. I am not a believer in the competitive rebuild mindset. I don't think it works, and won't work. We finish 9 wins and a first round exit, I'll be screaming as loud as anyone to hard reset the roster (this is what I would have done last offseason). We don't make the playoffs and I hope the wilfs realize their thinking is flawed. We win a *sb I'll gladly eat crow. Very happily. Heh.

However we are here now, so let's see what happens.

Is everything falling apart? No. Is everything roses? No. We have both extremes here.

We are 2-1.

[StumpHunter]

For someone who thinks they have such a keen understanding of how other people think, you sure do lack self awareness of your own issues.

Whatever you think "my issues" are, I honestly couldnt care any less.

This good fan, bad fan crap is getting so old.

And you twisting around and manipulating peoples words is getting old. Never said anyone was a "bad" fan. I referred to the negativity. And saying good teams just play bad against us....like really?

No manipulation needed. A paragraph complaining about how people post, responding to a post that had nothing to do with someone "saying good teams just play bad against us" is a rant against how some people follow the team.

Just don't come at your fellow fans claiming the offense is great when the results indicate anything but

Remember the manipulating peoples words thing I mentioned above? Yeah. Never once said the offense was great. You just assume that's what I'm thinking so you have an argument.

The person you were responding too claimed the offense was "refreshing" and multiple posters have responded to that having read it as they believe it is better than previous years. Which it has not been. Not even close.

the now is saying this offense has taken a step back from last year and a significant step back from 2019 and 2020.

Dude you're judging FULL seasons and FULL bodies of work and comparing them to THREE games under a new regime. How in any way is that fair? I can tell you it's not. So dont even go there with me.

I am just going off of what I have seen since there is nothing else to go off of and have literally said multiple times in this very thread things could improve. I also do not believe this is all, or even mostly on KOC and feel the talent just isn't as good as many believe. I have already heard the rumblings claiming "the play calling was so bad no QB could have success" and worry yet another HC will be the scapegoat for players failing to produce.

[Pondering Her Percy]

Whatever you think "my issues" are, I honestly couldnt care any less.



And you twisting around and manipulating peoples words is getting old. Never said anyone was a "bad" fan. I referred to the negativity. And saying good teams just play bad against us....like really?

No manipulation needed. A paragraph complaining about how people post, responding to a post that had nothing to do with someone "saying good teams just play bad against us" is a rant against how some people follow the team.

Remember the manipulating peoples words thing I mentioned above? Yeah. Never once said the offense was great. You just assume that's what I'm thinking so you have an argument.

The person you were responding too claimed the offense was "refreshing" and multiple posters have responded to that having read it as they believe it is better than previous years. Which it has not been. Not even close.

Dude you're judging FULL seasons and FULL bodies of work and comparing them to THREE games under a new regime. How in any way is that fair? I can tell you it's not. So dont even go there with me.

I am just going off of what I have seen since there is nothing else to go off of and have literally said multiple times in this very thread things could improve. I also do not believe this is all, or even mostly on KOC and feel the talent just isn't as good as many believe. I have already heard the rumblings claiming "the play calling was so bad no QB could have success" and worry yet another HC will be the scapegoat for players failing to produce.

I must say Stump, you're dead wrong with multiple things you said here. But I'm also not going to continue to go back and forth with you in this thread because in the end, I couldnt give any less shi#s what you think to be quite honest. Especially when you manipulate, you assume, you create your own narratives and whatever doesnt fit that narrative you hide from. Same song, same dance. Back on the old foe list

[JJBreaksRecords]

lol man I swear with some of you guys. Like it literally pains you to give any credit. I'm having a hard time figuring out if some of you actually want the Vikings to win, or would rather have them lose so you can say "I told ya so" about this guy or that guy. Like we're 2-1, 2-0 in the division and here you are now saying "good teams played bad against us" Like give me a break. How about you actually give credit to the team that won the game. If we lose, you complain. If we win, you make up bogus reasons why it shouldn't be a win and continue to complain. Like holy hell it gets old. We're 3 games into a season with an entirely new regime. The Vikings are 2-1 and have a legitimate shot to start off 4-1. Chill out and be happy

I'm waiting for the negative ones to reach their limit and bail out on the Vikings so we can all have a better experience when we visit this board. Surely as miserable as they are they'll be out of here soon. After all, I was a Colts fan before the Vikings came to Minnesota in 1961. That's how we had to roll before the Vikings existed, cheer for other teams. There's nothing holding anyone back if the current state of the Vikings is causing them mental distress.

The ones with the current 'mental distress' are the ones with their heads in the sand. Some of the most die hard fans (season ticket holders) slam on the Vikings all the time, as well they should with the history of the Vikings. We love the Vikings as much as the people with philosophies like yours.

We are just as good of 'fans'. Maybe you eternal optimists, that ever year think we are going to the SB every single year, are the ones that should 'bail' on this team. Some of us see the problems and tell them for what they are worth. Problems.

OFC its to early to judge this team right now. We are 2-1 now. Be happy about that and dont care if others point out obvious problems.

[JJBreaksRecords]

No manipulation needed. A paragraph complaining about how people post, responding to a post that had nothing to do with someone "saying good teams just play bad against us" is a rant against how some people follow the team.

The person you were responding too claimed the offense was "refreshing" and multiple posters have responded to that having read it as they believe it is better than previous years. Which it has not been. Not even close.



I am just going off of what I have seen since there is nothing else to go off of and have literally said multiple times in this very thread things could improve. I also do not believe this is all, or even mostly on KOC and feel the talent just isn't as good as many believe. I have already heard the rumblings claiming "the play calling was so bad no QB could have success" and worry yet another HC will be the scapegoat for players failing to produce.

I must say Stump, you're dead wrong with multiple things you said here. But I'm also not going to continue to go back and forth with you in this thread because in the end, I couldnt give any less shi#s what you think to be quite honest. Especially when you manipulate, you assume, you create your own narratives and whatever doesnt fit that narrative you hide from. Same song, same dance. Back on the old foe list

For someone who couldnt give any 'less shi#s' about what Stump thinks, you sure quote him a lot.

[VikingsVictorious]

I think being a Vikings fan conditions you to a certain level of negativity. Hahaha. It's funny, and hurts, cause it's true.

We are 2-1. It's the nfl. Wins are often very thin lines. As long as we win, I don't care how it happens. Is that a short term transactional view? Probably.

What I don't want to do is live in mediocrity, which I look more at the wilfs for their view on the team for that responsibility. I am not a believer in the competitive rebuild mindset. I don't think it works, and won't work. We finish 9 wins and a first round exit, I'll be screaming as loud as anyone to hard reset the roster (this is what I would have done last offseason). We don't make the playoffs and I hope the wilfs realize their thinking is flawed. We win a ws I'll gladly eat crow. Very happily. Heh.

However we are here now, so let's see what happens.

Is everything falling apart? No. Is everything roses? No. We have both extremes here.

We are 2-1.

I just checked the win/loss records of every team in the NFL. 2 teams are above us. The Fish and the Iggles. We are in 3rd place in the entire NFL as of now. Lots of teams tied with us for 3rd, but until proven otherwise I will place us at the top of that group.

[Pondering Her Percy]

I must say Stump, you're dead wrong with multiple things you said here. But I'm also not going to continue to go back and forth with you in this thread because in the end, I couldnt give any less shi#s what you think to be quite honest. Especially when you manipulate, you assume, you create your own narratives and whatever doesnt fit that narrative you hide from. Same song, same dance. Back on the old foe list

For someone who couldnt give any 'less shi#s' about what Stump thinks, you sure quote him a lot.

I mean it's hard to care when all he does is twist words around and create his own narratives. I've only had that argument with him 50 times, you'd think he'd eventually stop. Given he wont, then I will hence the foe list

[VikingsVictorious]

I think being a Vikings fan conditions you to a certain level of negativity. Hahaha. It's funny, and hurts, cause it's true.

We are 2-1. It's the nfl. Wins are often very thin lines. As long as we win, I don't care how it happens. Is that a short term transactional view? Probably.

What I don't want to do is live in mediocrity, which I look more at the wilfs for their view on the team for that responsibility. I am not a believer in the competitive rebuild mindset. I don't think it works, and won't work. We finish 9 wins and a first round exit, I'll be screaming as loud as anyone to hard reset the roster (this is what I would have done last offseason). We don't make the playoffs and I hope the wilfs realize their thinking is flawed. We win a ws I'll gladly eat crow. Very happily. Heh.

However we are here now, so let's see what happens.

Is everything falling apart? No. Is everything roses? No. We have both extremes here.

We are 2-1.

I just checked the win/loss records of every team in the NFL. 2 teams are above us. The Fish and the Iggles. We are in 3rd place in the entire NFL as of now. Lots of teams tied with us for 3rd, but since our only loss was to one of those first place teams I will place us at the top of the 2-1 group.

[Pondering Her Percy]

I think being a Vikings fan conditions you to a certain level of negativity. Hahaha. It's funny, and hurts, cause it's true.

We are 2-1. It's the nfl. Wins are often very thin lines. As long as we win, I don't care how it happens. Is that a short term transactional view? Probably.

What I don't want to do is live in mediocrity, which I look more at the wilfs for their view on the team for that responsibility. I am not a believer in the competitive rebuild mindset. I don't think it works, and won't work. We finish 9 wins and a first round exit, I'll be screaming as loud as anyone to hard reset the roster (this is what I would have done last offseason). We don't make the playoffs and I hope the wilfs realize their thinking is flawed. We win a ws I'll gladly eat crow. Very happily. Heh.

However we are here now, so let's see what happens.

Is everything falling apart? No. Is everything roses? No. We have both extremes here.

We are 2-1.

I just checked the win/loss records of every team in the NFL. 2 teams are above us. The Fish and the Iggles. We are in 3rd place in the entire NFL as of now. Lots of teams tied with us for 3rd, but until proven otherwise I will place us at the top of that group.

You mean to tell me, we're in 3rd in the NFL and the good teams are just playing bad against us? That's why we have these wins? We must be the luckiest 3rd place team of all time in the NFL if that's how we've gotten these wins

[Pondering Her Percy]

The ones with the current 'mental distress' are the ones with their heads in the sand. Some of the most die hard fans (season ticket holders) slam on the Vikings all the time, as well they should with the history of the Vikings. We love the Vikings as much as the people with philosophies like yours.

Not sure what season ticket holders have anything to do with anything. There are plenty of die hard fans that dont own season tickets. Whether they are ripping on the Vikings or not, again I dont get the relevance.

We are just as good of 'fans'. Maybe you eternal optimists, that ever year think we are going to the SB every single year, are the ones that should 'bail' on this team. Some of us see the problems and tell them for what they are worth. Problems.

Being hopeful and thinking we're going to win the SB every year are two different things. That's part of the problem with fans like you and the man at the top. You overexaggerate others optimism. I dont see anyone on here saying "Vikings are winning the SB" year after year. This is where the twisting, manipulating and assuming come into play. Dont try and tell me or anyone else for that matter on here, what they are thinking. THAT's what pis#es people off.

OFC its to early to judge this team right now. We are 2-1 now. Be happy about that and dont care if others point out obvious problems.

Obvious problems??? This conversation got started when YOU said "good teams are just playing bad against us". Like what? Didnt have anything to do with someone bringing up a specific problem. Like that's honestly one of the most asinine takes I've ever heard. Like the Vikings have 2 wins WITHIN the division against the two next BEST teams in the division. But we're going to say they just "both played bad against us". Are the Vikings themselves not allowed to get credit for beating them? Can the Vikings not be the reason that team "played bad"?

"Out-there" takes usually result in "out-there" reactions. Sorry but that take deserved one.

[J. Kapp 11]

I'm waiting for the negative ones to reach their limit and bail out on the Vikings so we can all have a better experience when we visit this board. Surely as miserable as they are they'll be out of here soon. After all, I was a Colts fan before the Vikings came to Minnesota in 1961. That's how we had to roll before the Vikings existed, cheer for other teams. There's nothing holding anyone back if the current state of the Vikings is causing them mental distress.

The ones with the current 'mental distress' are the ones with their heads in the sand. Some of the most die hard fans (season ticket holders) slam on the Vikings all the time, as well they should with the history of the Vikings. We love the Vikings as much as the people with philosophies like yours.

We are just as good of 'fans'. Maybe you eternal optimists, that ever year think we are going to the SB every single year, are the ones that should 'bail' on this team. Some of us see the problems and tell them for what they are worth. Problems.

OFC its to early to judge this team right now. We are 2-1 now. Be happy about that and dont care if others point out obvious problems.

It's cool. No problem with pointing out problems. Third-down conversion rate is low. Our defense isn't getting the pressure it needs to get with a secondary that has its issues. We're not scoring as much as we all had hoped we would. Specific issues like that seem like perfectly good fodder for conversation, and even the most optimistic of us would be silly to deny to those issues.

But when it turns to "this team looks no different than Zimmer's teams," or "KOC is Brad Childress," that's where my a$$ gets a little twisted.

Look, it's certainly wrong to say that those who slam on the Vikings are bad fans. I would never question anyone's fandom, and I never have (except for trolls from other teams). But it's just as wrong to say that someone like me has my head in the sand, or is some kind of pollyanna. I know full well what the Vikings are right now ... a team that's 2-1 and leading the division, but also a flawed team that's unlikely to truly contend playing the way they are currently.

Thing is, I'd just like to enjoy a victory.

I had so much fun at US Bank Stadium last Sunday. Yeah, it was frustrating at times (OK, a lot of times) but when Osborn caught that TD pass, the place was bonkers. Everybody was high-fiving and jumping up and down and shouting and hugging. All was well with the world. Smiles everywhere. After the game, people were walking down the streets of Minneapolis, whooping and hollering and singing the fight song.

Then I come on here, and you'd have thought we lost by 3 touchdowns.

So yeah, let's talk about the issues. But let's also acknowledge the positives. KOC is a great football mind. He's a natural leader, and has been at every level — college, pro player, pro coach. I believe he's moving things in the right direction. Is that going to be good enough to win the Super Bowl this year? Y'know, we haven't won one in 61 years as a franchise, so the chances seem slim. But I think we all need to give this new regime some time and be as patient as we can be. It's far from perfect right now, but we're 2-1 with two winnable games on the horizon before a tough one at Miami, then the bye. This team hasn't been above .500 since 2019. If we got to the bye at 4-2, wouldn't you take that? I would.

As someone who tends to see the glass half full, I just don't want to be made to feel like an idiot when I point out something positive. Just as I'm sure you'd appreciate it if people didn't question your fandom because you point out problems. I'd just love to have reasonable conversations on here without things getting so vitriolic.

Or maybe it's pollyanna to think that's possible.

[StanM]

I'm waiting for the negative ones to reach their limit and bail out on the Vikings so we can all have a better experience when we visit this board. Surely as miserable as they are they'll be out of here soon. After all, I was a Colts fan before the Vikings came to Minnesota in 1961. That's how we had to roll before the Vikings existed, cheer for other teams. There's nothing holding anyone back if the current state of the Vikings is causing them mental distress.

The ones with the current 'mental distress' are the ones with their heads in the sand. Some of the most die hard fans (season ticket holders) slam on the Vikings all the time, as well they should with the history of the Vikings. We love the Vikings as much as the people with philosophies like yours.

We are just as good of 'fans'. Maybe you eternal optimists, that ever year think we are going to the SB every single year, are the ones that should 'bail' on this team. Some of us see the problems and tell them for what they are worth. Problems.

OFC its to early to judge this team right now. We are 2-1 now. Be happy about that and dont care if others point out obvious problems.

My uncle once told me “if you beat your head on a tree and it hurts have enough sense to stop”. If beating one’s head on the Vikings tree hurts find another team or give up football.

There have been frustrations and entire seasons that they sucked so bad that I tuned out. My biggest disappointment aside from trading Tarkenton to the NYG was the Drew Pearson push off and score. I thought that was the best Vikings team ever, what was it, ‘75 or ‘76?

When a person gets older it’s hard to control the BP and dangerous to have sh*t fits watching the Vikings. I try to keep it at arms length and not allow them to affect my health anymore. If I felt like they didn’t have a shot at the playoffs I’d still be a fan but wouldn’t hesitate to miss a game if I got a better offer.

Just saying, if they made me that frustrated I’d jump ship and either cheer for another team or step away from the game. That approach has kept me alive through their entire history and four Super Bowl losses, I must be doing something right.