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Vikings09 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 7:05 pm I’m for getting one of the top wide receivers but if we do not protect Cousins then having that receiver will do us no good...sign Peters!!!!!!!!

VikingsVictorious wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 8:57 pm

StumpHunter wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 6:07 pm
There are two good DL. Odenigbo was a solid rotational guy last season, he isn't good yet. Might be the next great DE, but he might also be the next Tom Johnson.

The vikings realistically need a big upgrade a 3 tech and LDE to be one of the better defenses next season. It's as big a gaping hole as WR and CB imo. Oh, and guard.

100% disagreement. Odenigbo is not only ready to start he is ready to be very good. For the 3T we don't have a star but with the plethora of possibilities there we should be able to come up with somebody who doesn't totally suck. With 3 out of 4 good and one that hopefully doesn't totally suck we have a better than average D line. Can we upgrade? Yes. Is it a dire need? NO!!!
OL was already acknowledged as a need particularly guard. What was being discussed was the level of need for the DL which is IMO pretty minor. With how bad you think we are at almost every position I can't believe you expect us to get more than 2 wins.

StumpHunter wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 8:58 am

VikingsVictorious wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 8:57 pm
100% disagreement. Odenigbo is not only ready to start he is ready to be very good. For the 3T we don't have a star but with the plethora of possibilities there we should be able to come up with somebody who doesn't totally suck. With 3 out of 4 good and one that hopefully doesn't totally suck we have a better than average D line. Can we upgrade? Yes. Is it a dire need? NO!!!
OL was already acknowledged as a need particularly guard. What was being discussed was the level of need for the DL which is IMO pretty minor. With how bad you think we are at almost every position I can't believe you expect us to get more than 2 wins.

Odenigbo has A LOT of work to do against the run and needs more moves in the passing rushing game before he can be considered a starter.

https://youtu.be/9DB3vXWt_rM

This is his only start of his career, and there is no way Zimmer watches this film and thinks Odenigbo can start at DE. He was worthless against the run and even against the pass he flashed at times and got some pressure, but the majority of the time he might as well not even have been out there and got absolutely no push.

As of right now, he looks like the next Tom Johnson and nothing more. A guy who can come in fresh situationally and get some good pressure, but not start. Betting on him to be your starting edge guy would be a mistake, imo.

WR is a need, but maybe not in the 1st. Some of the guys who are falling to the 3rd in a lot of mocks look really good to me, like a Peoples and Johnson. The passing game is always going to be limited by the QB, but there is no limit on how good the defense can get. Let's build that up, draft some hogs on the Oline and beat good teams 13-10.

fiestavike wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 2:28 pm Here's a question. What does the Shanahan/Kubiak offense require from the WR position?

In my mind, the peak of that offense was the Broncos Superbowl seasons with McCaffrey and Rod Smith. Those guys weren't bad and they put up good production, but nobody really remembers them as elite players. Meanwhile, at RB, everybody they plugged in had success. The misdirection of this offense often schemes a lot of guys open, and maybe that makes route running and making contested catches somewhat less important in this scheme. Blocking is at a premium, but skill positions become less critical. Combining that with Cousins hesitancy to throw to guys until he sees them open makes me think guys with a high athletic ceiling who can be schemed open and make plays after the catch are a really good option.

Of course, I am hoping this is the last year we are hitched to Cousins, and that could add value to guys who can make those contested 1 on 1 plays going forward, but only the Vikings know for sure what direction they are planning to go and how committed they are to Cousins. I hope whatever plan they come up with is at least coherent. I'm tired of feeling like we're going in two directions at the same time.

YikesVikes wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 6:27 pm

fiestavike wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 2:28 pm Here's a question. What does the Shanahan/Kubiak offense require from the WR position?

In my mind, the peak of that offense was the Broncos Superbowl seasons with McCaffrey and Rod Smith. Those guys weren't bad and they put up good production, but nobody really remembers them as elite players. Meanwhile, at RB, everybody they plugged in had success. The misdirection of this offense often schemes a lot of guys open, and maybe that makes route running and making contested catches somewhat less important in this scheme. Blocking is at a premium, but skill positions become less critical. Combining that with Cousins hesitancy to throw to guys until he sees them open makes me think guys with a high athletic ceiling who can be schemed open and make plays after the catch are a really good option.

Of course, I am hoping this is the last year we are hitched to Cousins, and that could add value to guys who can make those contested 1 on 1 plays going forward, but only the Vikings know for sure what direction they are planning to go and how committed they are to Cousins. I hope whatever plan they come up with is at least coherent. I'm tired of feeling like we're going in two directions at the same time.

I think a team should build their WR core to handle a vast majority of situations. If you draft all 6 ft guys that are slight of frame and struggle with the press, you will have issues when you face bigger CBs who game plan is to press you all day. Right now we have a plethora of route runners. What we lack is a go up and get it guy, for the redzone. Adding a WR that can be that guys will give defenses fits trying to stop Rudy out wide and a 6'4 guy. That's what has hurt us in the redzone. Sometimes you just need a guy you can run a Fade with for easy points.

VikingsVictorious wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 8:26 pm

YikesVikes wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 6:27 pm

I think a team should build their WR core to handle a vast majority of situations. If you draft all 6 ft guys that are slight of frame and struggle with the press, you will have issues when you face bigger CBs who game plan is to press you all day. Right now we have a plethora of route runners. What we lack is a go up and get it guy, for the redzone. Adding a WR that can be that guys will give defenses fits trying to stop Rudy out wide and a 6'4 guy. That's what has hurt us in the redzone. Sometimes you just need a guy you can run a Fade with for easy points.

Chase Claypool come on down.

YikesVikes wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 10:15 pm

VikingsVictorious wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 8:26 pm
Chase Claypool come on down.

Only knock I have on the guy is that he isn't a hand catcher. Lots of body catches but... he is impressive. I wouldn't be made at taking Chase and someone like KJ Hamler.

YikesVikes wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 10:18 pm I predict that we will address WR in the 5th with Van Jefferson. He fits our mold.

1. Only Above Average speed
2. No 6'1
3. Excellent route runner.
4. Mature guy
5. Modest production at NCAA level.

We seem to value Route running over physical traits.

VikingsVictorious wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 10:18 pm

YikesVikes wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 10:15 pm

Only knock I have on the guy is that he isn't a hand catcher. Lots of body catches but... he is impressive. I wouldn't be made at taking Chase and someone like KJ Hamler.

I have heard this rumor of hands catcher recently in posts that somebody made. My understanding from the analysts and fans of Notre Dame is that he has great hands and catches everything in his zip code. I will look into it more.