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Speaks volumes on the stubbornness of Norv Turner to run his system - winning be damned. An offensive coordinator with his experience should realize that when your offensive line is this poor - you should probably adjust your offensive game plan.dead_poet wrote: Is Norv really Mike Martz in disguise?
How much of that pressure is occurring because he hangs onto the ball too long and how much of it is due to blocking breaking down too quickly?dead_poet wrote: Is Norv really Mike Martz in disguise?
And how much is on the receivers? They're symbiotic and you're probably talking about, what, a half-second to differentiate? I'm inclined to say it's probably 50% f*ck up by one or multiple linemen on any given play, 35% Teddy and 15% receivers but the problem probably shifts from play to play and I'm probably being too generous on the receivers, mostly because I often can't see how covered they are but I can clearly see when Fusco or Clemmings whiffs, misses an assignment, gets beat, etc. That movie is always playing.Mothman wrote:How much of that pressure is occurring because he hangs onto the ball too long and how much of it is due to blocking breaking down too quickly?
mansquatch wrote:Not to dismiss the offensive woes, but when your defense is missing half of it's starters and gives up 21 points before half time against an offense that was essentially toothless coming into the game, then the end result we saw is not a surprise. To be honest I'm more worried about this than I am the offense. If they cannot stop a Seattle team with a terrible OL, no Lynch, and no Jimmy Graham then how do we expect to beat any of our next four opponents?
The stat Poet put with regards to 7 step drops and QB pressure is very troubling to me. Given the state of our OL running 7 step drop backs seems criminal.
As much as I've dogged the guy, I'm really wondering why our offense isn't built more around CP84 and Rudolph in the short to intermediate game while Diggs and Wallace can run crosses and stuff to the outside? If teams are so focused on AP, then it shouldn't be hard to create match up issues with those two guys.
50 percent f*ck up by the OL sounds right and so does 35 percent for Teddy, give or take 5 percent.dead_poet wrote: And how much is on the receivers? They're symbiotic and you're probably talking about, what, a half-second to differentiate? I'm inclined to say it's probably 50% f*ck up by one or multiple linemen on any given play, 35% Teddy and 15% receivers but the problem probably shifts from play to play and I'm probably being too generous on the receivers, mostly because I often can't see how covered they are but I can clearly see when Fusco or Clemmings whiffs, misses an assignment, gets beat, etc. That movie is always playing.
He's in Norv's dog house for some reason, I've joked about it being because he wouldn't go train with Irvin in the off season but who knows! It's been over a year, to think Patterson just hasn't improved at all is getting harder and harder for me to believe.PurpleMustReign wrote:And how many plays on special teams does Patterson have to make in order to try to get on the football field? Again, don't give me the route running BS... the guy can flat make plays. He's a better kick returner than Percy Harvin, and he is fast. Criminy.
They were badly out coached at least when it comes to our offense vs their defense so I can't really blame Peterson. He's our best home run hitter and like Jim says, any hand off to him can go for a quick score, he's this offenses big play threat so there's no excuse what so ever for 8 carries.IIsweet wrote:The Genius OC gave the best RB in the NFL 8 carries, which resulted in 18 yards. Add 4 catches for 6 yards.... 6 freaking yards on 4 catches !!!
AD even stated that they were out coached. Can we please start a Fire Norv thread !!!
He's soooooo overrated
DK Sweets wrote:At the risk of derailing this thread into Flash territory, can anybody think of an elite returner that was given less of a chance on offense than Patterson?
Off the top of my head:
Josh Cribbs averaged 49 touches per year over a 4 year span from 08-11
Devin Hester averaged 48 touches per year over a 4 year span from 07-10
Even Ted Ginn Jr has 5 seasons with 38 or more touches.
I just don't get it.
I was in the midst of editing my post as you brought him up!mondry wrote: Ted Ginn comes to mind, he's now lighting it up with Cam Newton ! It's weird when these raw guys with tons of ability get drafted and then given up on...
