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[King James]

Nothing about Bieber makes him a thug. He's not known to be a violent person and he is not known for doing criminal activities. Some reports said he's cried his #### off in prison after the mugshot. Thugs don't cry in prison, especially not for a traffic violation. Yeah, he hangs around a lot of black people to boost his street cred. But in a real "hood" he has no street cred and real goons will probably rob and shoot his punk ####. Maybe you have your own definition of thugs, but I've been raised around real thugs and gang members, Justin Bieber wouldn't stand a chance.

[frosted]

Nothing about Bieber makes him a thug. He's not known to be a violent person and he is not known for doing criminal activities. Some reports said he's cried his #### off in prison after the mugshot. Thugs don't cry in prison, especially not for a traffic violation. Yeah, he hangs around a lot of black people to boost his street cred. But in a real "hood" he has no street cred and real goons will probably rob and shoot his punk ####. Maybe you have your own definition of thugs, but I've been raised around real thugs and gang members, Justin Bieber wouldn't stand a chance.

What does race have to do with being a thug?

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[Just Me]

What does race have to do with being a thug?

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Nothing. It is a word that accurately describes Bieber and is used in the articles (links) that I posted above describing Bieber as such. I stated "I didn't know about that" regarding the description of Sherman as a "thug" earlier in the thread because he doesn't fit the definition. Bieber does. But, I guess people are going to believe what they want to believe.

[King James]

What does race have to do with being a thug?

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Ask some racist white people. They come up with the stereotypes based off statistics.

[King James]

And in my case when I've been around real thugs, not because they're black. It's because I know a lot of people I grew up with who are in and out of jail, robbers, killers, drug dealers and etc. REAL THUGS!!. Bieber is not a thug. He acts that way on TV but in reality he's just a punk kid with a lot of money.

Sherman is not a thug either but because he got all aggressive on live tv, he's being projected as one.

[Funkytown]

And in my case when I've been around real thugs, not because they're black. It's because I know a lot of people I grew up with who are in and out of jail, robbers, killers, drug dealers and etc. REAL THUGS!!. Bieber is not a thug. He acts that way on TV but in reality he's just a punk kid with a lot of money.

Sherman is not a thug either but because he got all aggressive on live tv, he's being projected as one.

Hey. You stay away from that crowd, boy. I guess, stay away from pretty boy Biebs, too, if he's a thug.

The Biebs is not a thug. I'm more of a thug and I have a freaking pillow pet on my bed. Biebs. A thug? Oh stop.

[frosted]

This topic is ridiculous. Why is it considered cool to be a thug? The word is synonymous with "criminal". Richard Sherman is NOT a thug. Justin Bieber, by definition, is a "thug". I don't care if you don't think he's "hard" enough, or doesn't "have it in him". If you'd rather have me call him a punk, he's a punk, whatever. The fact of the matter is Sherman is NOT a criminal and Bieber, was simply an example offered, who IS a criminal.

And why are you guys bringing race into it?

[PotGoblin]

They do resemble each other.

But exactly Bieber, will never be considered a thug. Doesn't have it in him and has too much to lose..

omg that is to freaky - you stop that. Going to give me nightmares

[frosted]

This is the point im trying to make. Yes I know what the actual word thug means, it basically means criminal. But in today's society when black celebrities or athletes do crazy things, they're labeled as thugs. People like Bieber, on the other hand, who actually is trying his best to act like a thug (even though he will never be) only gets labeled in society is misguided.

Nothing about Bieber makes him a thug. He's not known to be a violent person and he is not known for doing criminal activities. Some reports said he's cried his #### off in prison after the mugshot. Thugs don't cry in prison, especially not for a traffic violation. Yeah, he hangs around a lot of black people to boost his street cred. But in a real "hood" he has no street cred and real goons will probably rob and shoot his punk ####. Maybe you have your own definition of thugs, but I've been raised around real thugs and gang members, Justin Bieber wouldn't stand a chance.

I feel like you are arguing that Bieber isn't a "thug" or whatever you want to call him, "hooligan" works just as well, but are upset that society doesn't label him a thug. Which I have been trying to do, but you continue to refute it. You can't have it both ways. Do you want him to be considered a thug or not? You also mentioned "goon". What is a goon? Is there another specific criteria to describe "goons"?

[King James]

This topic is ridiculous. Why is it considered cool to be a thug? The word is synonymous with "criminal". Richard Sherman is NOT a thug. Justin Bieber, by definition, is a "thug". I don't care if you don't think he's "hard" enough, or doesn't "have it in him". If you'd rather have me call him a punk, he's a punk, whatever. The fact of the matter is Sherman is NOT a criminal and Bieber, was simply an example offered, who IS a criminal.

And why are you guys bringing race into it?

What crimes has Bieber done to be considered a criminal? Last time I checked he doesn't have any felonies. Just because you go to jail doesn't mean you're a thug. One of the reasons they make people stay overnight in jail after a DUI charge is so they can sober up.

If Bieber was a thug he would be getting into real crimes and actually face prison time. Bieber has done nothing that makes him a thug. Maybe misguided but nowhere near a thug.

You're probably just one of those judgmental type people who scream "THUG!!!" as soon as somebody gets arrested or caught doing something minor like weed or something.

[Just Me]

What crimes has Bieber done to be considered a criminal? Last time I checked he doesn't have any felonies. Just because you go to jail doesn't mean you're a thug. One of the reasons they make people stay overnight in jail after a DUI charge is so they can sober up.

A felony is not a prerequisite to the definition of crime. Misdemeanors are crimes too, so your assertion is not accurate. The other inaccurate point of your statement is that people are held in jail because they are either able to post bond, or not. "Sobering up" maybe a side benefit, but it is not directly tied to why they are held overnight.

If Bieber was a thug he would be getting into real crimes and actually face prison time. Bieber has done nothing that makes him a thug. Maybe misguided but nowhere near a thug.

You are aware that you just called him 'misguided' right? By you're own post above, isn't this racism? (I don't believe it is, but you seem to have argued that it was because people don't label Bieber as a thug, they label him as misguided)

You're probably just one of those judgmental type people who scream "THUG!!!" as soon as somebody gets arrested or caught doing something minor like weed or something.

So are all the people who wrote articles in the news labeling Bieber as a thug, judgmental? Are they racists?
http://www.theroot.com/articles/culture ... beach.html
http://www.tmz.com/2014/01/10/justin-bi ... eo-tmz-tv/

I feel like you are arguing that Bieber isn't a "thug" or whatever you want to call him, "hooligan" works just as well, but are upset that society doesn't label him a thug. Which I have been trying to do, but you continue to refute it. You can't have it both ways. Do you want him to be considered a thug or not? You also mentioned "goon". What is a goon? Is there another specific criteria to describe "goons"?

King James - can you please answer the above? You're changing the subject without addressing the previous post. Do you want him labeled a thug or not? It seems that when people label Bieber a thug you argue he's not, but want to call 'racism!' when some have called Sherman a 'thug' because Bieber acts like one but no one labels him as such.

As previously stated, you can't have it both ways and ignoring the question only makes it appear as if you're avoiding the seemingly incongruent arguments you have previously made. Judging by your post above, you argue Bieber is not a thug and suggest that those who apply the dictionary definition of thug to Bieber are 'judgmental'. Ok. How would you describe him? A misguided kid? (for reference I have included your previous post below)

This is the point im trying to make. Yes I know what the actual word thug means, it basically means criminal. But in today's society when black celebrities or athletes do crazy things, they're labeled as thugs. People like Bieber, on the other hand, who actually is trying his best to act like a thug (even though he will never be) only gets labeled in society is misguided.

Racism at it's finest, including the twitter comments I seen about Sherman.

[frosted]

You're probably just one of those judgmental type people who scream "THUG!!!" as soon as somebody gets arrested or caught doing something minor like weed or something.

I am no longer going to argue with you about this topic King James, because I feel like you're missing my point. But I just wanted to state that what you said about me is the farthest thing from the truth. I'd appreciate it if you refrained from making accusations of me as a person. Thanks. If you want to know a little about me, and why the above statement is wrong, you can PM me. Other than that, I am finished with the Bieber/Sherman/racism debate.