If healthy, who should start from here on out?

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If healthy, who should start from here on out?

Christian Ponder
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11%
Matt Cassel
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89%
 
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Re: If healthy, who should start from here on out?

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Cassel

On paper, completing two-thirds of his passes for two touchdowns and a 128.5 QB rating, while leading his team to its first win on the season, seems like a good day for Matt Cassel. However, as his -3.7 grade suggests, he was far from perfect and, in fact, wasn’t terribly different than what we’ve seen from Christian Ponder – for instance, both players have an average depth of target of roughly 9.0 yards. Cassel did make a few really impressive throws, such as on his third quarter touchdown pass to Greg Jennings on a post. At other times, though, the Steelers let him get away with some poor decisions, including a pair of balls that could have (and perhaps should have) been picked by Ike Taylor. One of these came on the first drive of the game, when he missed long on a 9-route in the end zone, and was saved only by Cordarrelle Patterson’s last-second pass defense. On the other (0:39, Q1) he made a dangerous (and probably predetermined) throw that allowed Taylor to break on an in-route deep in Viking territory and could have resulted in a pick-six. Losing the ball late in the first half didn’t help either in a grading system that isn’t too kind to fumbles.

It will be interesting whether the Vikings stick with Cassel going forward; he didn’t make an overwhelming claim for the starting job based on his performance in London, though leading the team to its first win can’t be understated. He also avoided the costly turnovers (luckily) that have plagued Ponder early on. One striking difference between the two was how quickly Cassel got rid of the ball, with an average time to attempt of 2.18 seconds. This helped minimize pressure as the Steeler rush got to him on just three of 27 drop backs. Conversely, Ponder’s average time to attempt of 2.59 has led to him seeing pressure on 38.5% of drop backs.

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Re: If healthy, who should start from here on out?

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PacificNorseWest wrote:One striking difference between the two was how quickly Cassel got rid of the ball, with an average time to attempt of 2.18 seconds. This helped minimize pressure as the Steeler rush got to him on just three of 27 drop backs. Conversely, Ponder’s average time to attempt of 2.59 has led to him seeing pressure on 38.5% of drop backs.

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Good Stuff. I would have sworn Ponder takes more than 3 seconds to get rid of the ball, but I apparently would be mistaken. Isn't there an expectation for an OL to give the QB 3 seconds to make a read and throw the ball?
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Just Me wrote:Good Stuff. I would have sworn Ponder takes more than 3 seconds to get rid of the ball, but I apparently would be mistaken. Isn't there an expectation for an OL to give the QB 3 seconds to make a read and throw the ball?
Yes. Usually, if a QB can get rid of it in 2.5 seconds or less he'll rarely get sacked. He should get at least 3 seconds of protection but obviously, it doesn't always work out that way.
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J. Kapp 11 wrote: I'm not sure how to respond to this.

What exactly do you expect from a passionate fan base that loves the Vikings and wants desperately for the team to be relevant in championship conversations? Extreme? Sure. That's why the word "fan" is derived from "fanatical."

And I'm sorry, but just because I think Matt Cassel is a better quarterback than Christian Ponder and dare to express it in a thread that ASKS me to compare the two -- that doesn't make me fringe or extreme. Neither does disagreeing with each other.

And last I checked, nobody here is calling each other names or threatening violence. It's called lively debate, folks. Buck up.


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The Breeze wrote: way to get defensive, Joe ~
That doesn't make a lick of sense, Breeze. But thanks for the insight.


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J. Kapp 11 wrote: That doesn't make a lick of sense, Breeze. But thanks for the insight.


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Insight:
I made a tongue in cheek statement, to Jim, regarding the extremes of tones and high and lows of content and repetitive subject matter on the board.....which, by his repsonse, he completely understood. I did this because I understood his mood and wanted to pat him on the back a bit....you know, cheer him up a bit by pointing out it could get worse.
I like the depth and content that he and several others, yourself included, consistently bring to the discourse and I happen to share a similar perspective on what has happened and why in regards to the long term interest of the team.....not limited to the QB position. It's what makes this particular board worth it to me.

You people are the only Vikings fans I 'know'.....I consider VMB to be part of my community where I can learn more about communication, myself and ultimately make friends with people outside the magical realm of 'fanatacism'.
I'm not here to argue logical fallacies or foam at the mouth about things I have no control over.....those things are not unique, in fact I find them to be quite prevalent in the world, if not the norm. By saying that I'm not, in any way, suggesting that there is no place for that here, because obviously, there is (and I accept and appreciate it) and it would never be my place to say either way. The dynamic of it's occurence is an individual phenomenon.
I was not expecting you, or anyone, other than Jim, to respond to my statement because it was intended for him specifically, as opposed to singling anyone one out for any reason.
So, when you did and included the semi-etymological line on the word 'fan' as well as an "I'm sorry but" statement regarding your right of expression around the christ weary QB issue via thread topic, and how it doesn't make you 'fringe' or 'extreme', it became apparent that perhaps you took something somewhat personal as well as mistaking my own implied meaning of 'extremes'. Which, due to my personal opinion of you, I thought was beneath you. And I mean that as a compliment.

My reply to you was merely your advice about 'bucking up' reflected back to you. A bit curt of me....my bad, no excuses.

My use of 'extremes' in my comment,... to Jim, was not about persoanl opinions and their inherent validity, but to the threat of the board, due to fanatacism, being over run with 'threads of doom' just one week removed from, 'playof push', just one week removed from'0-16 fire Fraizer'. All before the midway point of the season. All due to the difference between Matt/Christian, in spite of the reality that is known about:
Big Ben 2013
Eli Manning 2013
Payton Manning, Aaron Rodgers and Drew Brees for all but one season.
Most all of John Elway's career.
Dan Fouts, Dan Marino, Warren Moon, Archie Manning, forever.
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Guys like Bradshaw, Montana and Aikman.

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