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Re: The 53

Posted: Mon Sep 02, 2013 2:42 pm
by Eli
Same old, same old. The only height measurements that you can trust are from the NFL Scouting Combine, or possibly a pro day if the measurement was done by an NFL scout.

Here a site that lists him at 5'11" from his pro day:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1120 ... bby-felder

This web site shows an exact '5102', which would be 5'10ΒΌ":

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/ds ... &genpos=CB

Re: The 53

Posted: Mon Sep 02, 2013 2:42 pm
by dead_poet
Hmm.
@seankjensen: Leslie Frazier on WLB battle: "As we speak today, Marvin is our starter." Frazier complimented Bishop though.

Re: The 53

Posted: Mon Sep 02, 2013 3:29 pm
by HardcoreVikesFan
dead_poet wrote:Hmm.
Lol.

Marvin Mitchell is a good back up, but he doesn't have the physicality to be a full time starter. If Mitchell was such a great player, why even bother signing Desmond Bishop in the first place?

I really question the personnel decisions this team makes at times.

Re: The 53

Posted: Mon Sep 02, 2013 3:32 pm
by dead_poet
@Andrew_Krammer: FB Zach Line listed as the #Vikings starter on their depth chart.

Re: The 53

Posted: Mon Sep 02, 2013 3:55 pm
by Texas Vike
HardcoreVikesFan wrote: Lol.

Marvin Mitchell is a good back up, but he doesn't have the physicality to be a full time starter. If Mitchell was such a great player, why even bother signing Desmond Bishop in the first place?

I really question the personnel decisions this team makes at times.
Bishop earned the spot in my eyes. Frazier's "As we speak today" does seem to indicate that things might very well change between now and Sunday. Bishop really shined in the TN game especially.

Re: The 53

Posted: Mon Sep 02, 2013 4:16 pm
by The Breeze
I think Bishop still has a bit more to prove in terms of understanding where to be in this particular defense also. He is learning a new system and was limited in camp due to the groin injury, plus was out for an entire season.
I don't see how rushing him into the starting role will benefit anything.

Re: The 53

Posted: Mon Sep 02, 2013 4:42 pm
by Texas Vike
The Breeze wrote:I think Bishop still has a bit more to prove in terms of understanding where to be in this particular defense also. He is learning a new system and was limited in camp due to the groin injury, plus was out for an entire season.
I don't see how rushing him into the starting role will benefit anything.

Were you able to see the TN game? I ask b/c I know you're out of the viewing area like me. I caught it and thought that Bishop stood out as a real force. He had two tackles for losses in the first 6 minutes. I don't think I've ever seen Marvin Mitchell do anything that stood out in his whole career. The only hesitation I can see the coaches having would be for the reasons you mention: 1. is he fully over his injury? 2. does he have a firm enough of a handle on the schemes?

Re: The 53

Posted: Mon Sep 02, 2013 5:20 pm
by The Breeze
Texas Vike wrote:
Were you able to see the TN game? I ask b/c I know you're out of the viewing area like me. I caught it and thought that Bishop stood out as a real force. He had two tackles for losses in the first 6 minutes. I don't think I've ever seen Marvin Mitchell do anything that stood out in his whole career. The only hesitation I can see the coaches having would be for the reasons you mention: 1. is he fully over his injury? 2. does he have a firm enough of a handle on the schemes?
I didn't see the last game. But I thought he looked pretty good against the Niners compared to looking somewhat slow and lost in his first action.

But I agree that he is a completely superior piece when compared to anyone else we have at that spot....provided that he is healthy, which is my biggest thing.

If it were up to me, I'd gradually increase his reps and push him to get his assignments down to where he is not having to think much out there. I would imagine that part wouldn't take long for him. He has already been in the oppnents backfield several times in the last two games.

Unless Mitchell is proving to be a significant liability.....keeping Bishop's reps down until after the bye week is fine by me, since the bye is so early anyway.

Who knows for sure with the injury he had? Maybe he'll start week 2.

I'm not knowledgable enough to know how disruptive it might be for Greenway and Henderson to have two guys in and out on the other side. But if Bishop is not up to snuff scheme-wise, it would be bad coaching IMO, to put him out them when Mitchell knows the system.

Re: The 53

Posted: Mon Sep 02, 2013 5:42 pm
by Eli
The Breeze wrote:If it were up to me, I'd gradually increase his reps and push him to get his assignments down to where he is not having to think much out there. I would imagine that part wouldn't take long for him. He has already been in the oppnents backfield several times in the last two games.

Unless Mitchell is proving to be a significant liability.....keeping Bishop's reps down until after the bye week is fine by me, since the bye is so early anyway.

Who knows for sure with the injury he had? Maybe he'll start week 2.
How would that work? The Vikings don't platoon or rotate their linebackers. Once you give Mitchell the starting job, I don't see how you can sit him in favor of Bishop unless he really screws up. Where does Bishop get his reps?

Re: The 53

Posted: Mon Sep 02, 2013 6:01 pm
by dead_poet
Eli wrote: How would that work? The Vikings don't platoon or rotate their linebackers. Once you give Mitchell the starting job, I don't see how you can sit him in favor of Bishop unless he really screws up. Where does Bishop get his reps?
Recall a similar scenario last season with Fusco/Schwartz.

Re: The 53

Posted: Mon Sep 02, 2013 6:27 pm
by Mothman
Eli wrote:How would that work? The Vikings don't platoon or rotate their linebackers. Once you give Mitchell the starting job, I don't see how you can sit him in favor of Bishop unless he really screws up. Where does Bishop get his reps?
It's not like it's in the linebackers' contracts that they can't be rotated in and out of the game. If they want to give Bishop some reps, all they have to do is give them to him. They could play him for a series or two and build from there if they like what they see.

As dead-poet said, they did that at guard last year. They do it on the d-line. Why not at LB?

Re: The 53

Posted: Mon Sep 02, 2013 6:31 pm
by Eli
dead_poet wrote: Recall a similar scenario last season with Fusco/Schwartz.
Which was very odd and tantamount to a vote of no-confidence for both of them. Schwartz' reaction to that scenario was to tell the Vikings to take a flying leap when they expressed a desire to re-sign him in the offseason.

Re: The 53

Posted: Mon Sep 02, 2013 6:44 pm
by The Breeze
Eli wrote: How would that work? The Vikings don't platoon or rotate their linebackers. Once you give Mitchell the starting job, I don't see how you can sit him in favor of Bishop unless he really screws up. Where does Bishop get his reps?
They would have to platoon them in order for Bishop to get reps. I just said if it was up to me, that's how I would do it. I have no idea what the plan is for Bishop as far as Fraizer is concerned. I consider him the better player....the rest is purely speculation.

Re: The 53

Posted: Mon Sep 02, 2013 8:11 pm
by Demi
80 PurplePride 84 wrote:Darius Eubanks signed to the Browns' Practice Squad.
That guy was like a missile in that last preseason game.

Re: The 53

Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2013 5:10 am
by TheCoolerOne
http://mmqb.si.com/column/rookie-journey/

Again, unsure wether or not this has been posted, but a cool five part story on Zach Line, of all people. From being drafted to making the cut. Pretty fun reads.