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Re: Vikings Roster Review
Posted: Tue Jan 14, 2020 4:52 pm
by Dames
808vikingsfan wrote: ↑Tue Jan 14, 2020 3:53 pm
Pondering Her Percy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 14, 2020 3:31 pm
I am currently working on a mock offseason now. I've been working on it on and off all day. All I can say is WOW!! I am having some serious trouble on who to keep and who to let walk in free agency. Like you dont want to create more holes but you want to find ways to save money. Just crazy
Always look forward to this PHP. May differ on opinions but this is one thing I really enjoy reading.
Can you do a mock where we trade Cousins and a couple of future #1's for a shot at a top QB? kidding.
Re: Vikings Roster Review
Posted: Tue Jan 14, 2020 7:32 pm
by Pondering Her Percy
808vikingsfan wrote: ↑Tue Jan 14, 2020 3:53 pm
Pondering Her Percy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 14, 2020 3:31 pm
I am currently working on a mock offseason now. I've been working on it on and off all day. All I can say is WOW!! I am having some serious trouble on who to keep and who to let walk in free agency. Like you dont want to create more holes but you want to find ways to save money. Just crazy
Always look forward to this PHP. May differ on opinions but this is one thing I really enjoy reading.
Can you do a mock where we trade Cousins and a couple of future #1's for a shot at a top QB? kidding.
Lol I’ll pass
Re: Vikings Roster Review
Posted: Sat Jan 18, 2020 1:40 pm
by CharVike
Dames wrote: ↑Tue Jan 14, 2020 10:33 am
mansquatch wrote: ↑Tue Jan 14, 2020 10:05 am
Reiff is likely a cap casualty.
Cutting Reiff would be a mistake. That's not a position that's easy to fill, and while he wasn't a world beater, he was definitely not the worst part of the line. I'm sure they'll approach him about a restructure, but if I were him, I probably wouldn't be too interested in that. In the end, they will probably be stuck with him cap number. I just can't see them cutting him and creating a worse mess. Of course, I think the line is not that far off as it is.
Maybe I'm wrong, but I certainly won't be happy if they just flat out cut him unless suddenly they have an immediate replacement.
Reilf will need to stay. I rag on him but he handles the normal guys fine. LT are hard to come by. Could O'neil move over there and create a situation were we can move on. O'neil is built more like a LT than RT. But maybe he doesn't have the movement. IDK.
Re: Vikings Roster Review
Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2020 10:33 am
by mansquatch
After watching that game yesterday it was obvious that our pass rush has lost a step or two. We get pressure, but not like that 49ers unit gets pressure. Made me wonder if our defensive woes are all in the backfield or if it is combo platter of EG losing a step, the middle guys not being a major threat, and the secondary maybe not being as great as it previously was. It will be interesting to see how the defense holds up vs. KC and their combination of speed and Mahomes' playmaking.
My knee jerk is that this draft needs to address the trenches, specifically the interior trenches. I'm in line more with not letting Reiff go, only because the other needs are so great. Perhaps he is a candidate for restructure? EG definitely is, he isn't worth the
$13MM right now. Major needs right now: OG, 3 technique DT, young DE, and QB.
For a Guard I'd like to see them find somebody who is athletic, but can also move people. They need a guy who can not only block in space, but also move bodies.
Re: Vikings Roster Review
Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2020 11:19 am
by VikingPaul73
mansquatch wrote: ↑Mon Jan 20, 2020 10:33 am
After watching that game yesterday it was obvious that our pass rush has lost a step or two. We get pressure, but not like that 49ers unit gets pressure. Made me wonder if our defensive woes are all in the backfield or if it is combo platter of EG losing a step, the middle guys not being a major threat, and the secondary maybe not being as great as it previously was. It will be interesting to see how the defense holds up vs. KC and their combination of speed and Mahomes' playmaking.
My knee jerk is that this draft needs to address the trenches, specifically the interior trenches. I'm in line more with not letting Reiff go, only because the other needs are so great. Perhaps he is a candidate for restructure? EG definitely is, he isn't worth the
$13MM right now. Major needs right now: OG, 3 technique DT, young DE, and QB.
For a Guard I'd like to see them find somebody who is athletic, but can also move people. They need a guy who can not only block in space, but also move bodies.
I agree on your list. I also think we need to draft a run stuffing DT as well. Joseph is getting old and we were abused in the running game too often this year.
But my guess is we will take a CB in the 1st round, but I suppose that depends on what they decide on Trae, Mack, and Rhodes.
So many needs...
Re: Vikings Roster Review
Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2020 11:53 am
by Dames
mansquatch wrote: ↑Mon Jan 20, 2020 10:33 am
My knee jerk is that this draft needs to address the trenches, specifically the interior trenches. I'm in line more with not letting Reiff go, only because the other needs are so great. Perhaps he is a candidate for restructure? EG definitely is, he isn't worth the
$13MM right now. Major needs right now: OG, 3 technique DT, young DE, and QB.
For a Guard I'd like to see them find somebody who is athletic, but can also move people. They need a guy who can not only block in space, but also move bodies.
That about sums it up.
I think OG is the absolute greatest need we have. I think there are a couple of FAs that are worth looking at too though, so it may not be necessary to rely on the draft.
Linval seems to have tailed off quite a bit, so it might be time to move on. We probably don't have someone on staff currently to replace him, although I think they liked Armon Watts before he got hurt.
If EG restructures, I'd be fine with DE. But, I might be counting on Ogdenibo too much.
QB.... well, I think we all want to draft one, but I won't be placing any wagers on it sadly. I hope I'm surprised though.
Re: Vikings Roster Review
Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2020 6:18 pm
by S197
Dames wrote: ↑Tue Jan 14, 2020 10:33 am
mansquatch wrote: ↑Tue Jan 14, 2020 10:05 am
Reiff is likely a cap casualty.
Cutting Reiff would be a mistake. That's not a position that's easy to fill, and while he wasn't a world beater, he was definitely not the worst part of the line. I'm sure they'll approach him about a restructure, but if I were him, I probably wouldn't be too interested in that. In the end, they will probably be stuck with him cap number. I just can't see them cutting him and creating a worse mess. Of course, I think the line is not that far off as it is.
Maybe I'm wrong, but I certainly won't be happy if they just flat out cut him unless suddenly they have an immediate replacement.
They may not have a choice, the Vikings are dead last in cap space amongst the 32 teams. Actually, they don’t even have space, they’re over the cap by $10M. This is going to be an offseason of tough choices.
Re: Vikings Roster Review
Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2020 6:57 pm
by VikingPaul73
Due to the cap situation and EG getting up there.....what are people’s’ thoughts on releasing EG and moving Barr to DE??
It would free up some space to address other needs and I’ve always thought Barr was somewhat miscast as a coverage 4-3 LB.
Of course that would create a hole at LB but Wilson has been solid and could be extended for a lot less than Griffen. Gonna have to make some hard choices this offseason
Thoughts?
Re: Vikings Roster Review
Posted: Mon Jan 20, 2020 8:05 pm
by Mothman
VikingPaul73 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 20, 2020 6:57 pm
Due to the cap situation and EG getting up there.....what are people’s’ thoughts on releasing EG and moving Barr to DE??
It would free up some space to address other needs and I’ve always thought Barr was somewhat miscast as a coverage 4-3 LB.
Of course that would create a hole at LB but Wilson has been solid and could be extended for a lot less than Griffen. Gonna have to make some hard choices this offseason
Thoughts?
I'm not sure it makes sense to move him out of position at this point in his career, after grooming him all this time to be an LB in Zimmer's defense. I'd be more inclined to put Odenigbo in that spot and draft another DE. Barr could probably be an effective pass rusher from that spot though.
My concern with Barr or Odenigbo as starting RDEs would be their ability to set the edge against the run.
Re: Vikings Roster Review
Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 10:19 am
by mansquatch
Barr is undersized to play DE in a 4-3. He could probably be a solid edge rusher in a 3-4, but that isn't the scheme Zimmer runs.
I think a lot of this talk is premature right now. A lot is going to change in March given their laundry list of free agents and the contracts that all but have to be redone. There could be a stubborn contract negotiation or unexpected cut that would dramatically reshape the draft needs. Coaching hires could also throw things for a loop.
In intend to sit back and watch and see who ends up where. Maybe Jay Gruden ends up as our OC?
Re: Vikings Roster Review
Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 10:38 am
by Dames
Pondering Her Percy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 14, 2020 3:31 pm
I am currently working on a mock offseason now. I've been working on it on and off all day. All I can say is WOW!! I am having some serious trouble on who to keep and who to let walk in free agency. Like you dont want to create more holes but you want to find ways to save money. Just crazy
What's taking you so long?
Just kidding, I know you put a lot of work into it!
Re: Vikings Roster Review
Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 10:42 am
by CanUDiggsIt?
Can someone tell me how Xavier Rhodes made the Pro Bowl as an alternate?? I could name countless players more deserving than him. At least this helps us make a trade easier?
Current Viking Pro Bowlers (8): RB Dalvin Cook, DE Danielle Hunter, SS Harrison Smith, QB Kirk Cousins, LB Eric Kendricks, FB C.J. Ham, DE Everson Griffen, CB Xavier Rhodes
Re: Vikings Roster Review
Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 10:48 am
by Dames
CanUDiggsIt? wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 10:42 am
Can someone tell me how Xavier Rhodes made the Pro Bowl as an alternate?? I could name countless players more deserving than him. At least this helps us make a trade easier?
Current Viking Pro Bowlers (8): RB Dalvin Cook, DE Danielle Hunter, SS Harrison Smith, QB Kirk Cousins, LB Eric Kendricks, FB C.J. Ham, DE Everson Griffen, CB Xavier Rhodes
We look like one the best teams in the league now! Most of those players deserve to be there honestly, or at least in the conversation. Rhodes is there on name alone. There are definitely more deserving players, but PB voting is kinda messed up sometimes.
Re: Vikings Roster Review
Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 11:12 am
by J. Kapp 11
Dames wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 10:48 am
CanUDiggsIt? wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 10:42 am
Can someone tell me how Xavier Rhodes made the Pro Bowl as an alternate?? I could name countless players more deserving than him. At least this helps us make a trade easier?
Current Viking Pro Bowlers (8): RB Dalvin Cook, DE Danielle Hunter, SS Harrison Smith, QB Kirk Cousins, LB Eric Kendricks, FB C.J. Ham, DE Everson Griffen, CB Xavier Rhodes
We look like one the best teams in the league now! Most of those players deserve to be there honestly, or at least in the conversation. Rhodes is there on name alone. There are definitely more deserving players, but PB voting is kinda messed up sometimes.
It is, but ... 2/3 of the vote weighting comes from players and coaches. Somehow I don't think fans voted Xavier Rhodes into the game.
Here's a funny irony. Kick returners such as Cordarrelle Patterson are named to the Pro Bowl ... only they don't do kickoffs in the Pro Bowl.
Salary trivia. The winners of the Pro Bowl get $69,000 each (that's more than the losers of the Super Bowl get ($56,000)). Losers of the Pro Bowl get $37,000. Until 1976, the winners of the SUPER BOWL got $15,000 and $7,500, respectively.
Re: Vikings Roster Review
Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 2:43 pm
by Pondering Her Percy
Dames wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 10:38 am
Pondering Her Percy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 14, 2020 3:31 pm
I am currently working on a mock offseason now. I've been working on it on and off all day. All I can say is WOW!! I am having some serious trouble on who to keep and who to let walk in free agency. Like you dont want to create more holes but you want to find ways to save money. Just crazy
What's taking you so long?
Just kidding, I know you put a lot of work into it!
Dude, this cap situation is killing my brain. I've gotten through most of it so far. Nearing the end of free agency with some 1 year deals and then onto the draft. Not too much longer I hope