5.146 Vikings select WR- Stefon Diggs Maryland

[Pseudo Everything]

Lack of football knowledge huh? Well we aren't going to consider Wright, Patterson, Diggs or Thielen the #1 so that leaves Johnson and Wallace. I posted earlier that it could go either way and each of them could be considered the #1 in their own way. Bottom line is, they are going to both be the 1 and 2 and will probably see the most targets so you're really going to sit there and say "I have a lack of football knowledge" because I'm saying they are pretty much neck and neck?? Maybe you're the one with the lack of knowledge if you're going to sit here and say Johnson is anything worse than the #2.

The only reason I mentioned Johnson possibly being the 1 is because he's the primary X WR which is pretty much always the biggest producer in a Norv Turner offense. You follow me? Or is my knowledge just not up to par with yours? Name me the last time a primary X WR on ANY NFL TEAM was anything less than a #2 option?? Pretty much never. So if you're going to say I have a lack of football knowledge because of the difference of Johnson being either the 1 or 2 option, then there's something wrong here.

I've talked up Diggs for weeks now and then he started making a big impact in camp. I'm going to be the same in regards to Johnson as well. If you actually watch the press conferences and practice highlights, you might actually have a different take on things.

Nice post. Agree with all of it.

Last February Norv Turner was quoted saying that Charles Johnson "was far and away our best receiver" (that was before we acquired Mike Wallace). At that time Turner saw a lot of separation between Johnson versus Wright and Patterson (no point in listing Thielen because he's never going to more than a STs player and the last WR on the depth chart).

In training camp this year Johnson has been getting almost uniformly positive coverage from the beat writers and bloggers down in Mankato. The only thing that has changed since Norv made his comment about Johnson is that we've acquired Wallace and drafted Diggs. Given that Johnson has been the starting X receiver all though the off-season programs and now in training camp ... it's more than appropriate to view him (at least) as our #2 WR. I see it as Wallace being 1A and Johnson 1B. Wallace should get the nod as #1 based on his experience and what he's accomplished in the league to date.

If Wright, Patterson or Diggs can outplay Johnson and displace him on the depth chart ... that's fine, but for now ... it is what it is.

[Pondering Her Percy]

Nice post. Agree with all of it.

Last February Norv Turner was quoted saying that Charles Johnson "was far and away our best receiver" (that was before we acquired Mike Wallace). At that time Turner saw a lot of separation between Johnson versus Wright and Patterson (no point in listing Thielen because he's never going to more than a STs player and the last WR on the depth chart).

In training camp this year Johnson has been getting almost uniformly positive coverage from the beat writers and bloggers down in Mankato. The only thing that has changed since Norv made his comment about Johnson is that we've acquired Wallace and drafted Diggs. Given that Johnson has been the starting X receiver all though the off-season programs and now in training camp ... it's more than appropriate to view him (at least) as our #2 WR. I see it as Wallace being 1A and Johnson 1B. Wallace should get the nod as #1 based on his experience and what he's accomplished in the league to date.

If Wright, Patterson or Diggs can outplay Johnson and displace him on the depth chart ... that's fine, but for now ... it is what it is.

Thanks Pseudo! This is exactly what I'm saying. Johnson has all the tools you need to be a legit #1 WR. Is he the #1 now? As Pseudo says, it's a 1A and 1B type thing. Johnson showed me a lot last year IMO. He showed crisp routes, solid hands, speed, and the ability to create separation. If people can't see that, you should resort to NFL game rewind

[Mothman]

Thanks Pseudo! This is exactly what I'm saying. Johnson has all the tools you need to be a legit #1 WR. Is he the #1 now? As Pseudo says, it's a 1A and 1B type thing. Johnson showed me a lot last year IMO. He showed crisp routes, solid hands, speed, and the ability to create separation. If people can't see that, you should resort to NFL game rewind

Save some of that fire for the season.

Nobody is saying Johnson can't play, just that he still has a lot to prove.

[9man]

Nice post. Agree with all of it.

Last February Norv Turner was quoted saying that Charles Johnson "was far and away our best receiver" (that was before we acquired Mike Wallace). At that time Turner saw a lot of separation between Johnson versus Wright and Patterson (no point in listing Thielen because he's never going to more than a STs player and the last WR on the depth chart).

In training camp this year Johnson has been getting almost uniformly positive coverage from the beat writers and bloggers down in Mankato. The only thing that has changed since Norv made his comment about Johnson is that we've acquired Wallace and drafted Diggs. Given that Johnson has been the starting X receiver all though the off-season programs and now in training camp ... it's more than appropriate to view him (at least) as our #2 WR. I see it as Wallace being 1A and Johnson 1B. Wallace should get the nod as #1 based on his experience and what he's accomplished in the league to date.

If Wright, Patterson or Diggs can outplay Johnson and displace him on the depth chart ... that's fine, but for now ... it is what it is.

I guess what it comes down to is I am cautiously optimistic that Johnson will turn out to be the best receiver on the squad. Regardless of where he lines up, number of games he appeared in or % of completions, he still has a lot to prove, at least in my opinion. Just like everyone thought CP was going to breakout last year, I need to wait and see.

[jackal]

IMO I don't care about the argument about who the number one is ...(I think people over hype this)

Some of the best offenses have functioned off of Tight ends and smaller slot receivers(I.E. Wes Welker)

The Vikings IMO have a real nice group of weapons currently. Diggs could end up being our best reciever, with time?

I'm hoping Patterson is effective this year, but I am on a wait and see.. on him(based on his career so far)


Peterson should allow one on one's, and broken coverage, with good play calling...

[Demi]

Last February Norv Turner was quoted saying that Charles Johnson "was far and away our best receiver"

That's because our receivers were horrible. And are still below average. Wallace is far and away our best receiver, Johnson is second, and a mess after that. Who knows at the end of the season how it will shake out. But it's like to not change much. Wallace and Johnson are both one trick ponys. Speed. Yeah they can get open, Wallace is far more consistent. Johnson could work out, improve, and end up a bonafide #1. He was a starter by default. Patterson was so horrible the head coach had to point out his screw ups in a press conference, bench him, and sign someone off another teams practice squad to start.

All six seasons Wallace has been in the NFL he's performed better than Johnson, now he's a 1B to Wallace? Crisp routes? Good hands? Compared to who? Patterson. He didn't show much of either...speed? Separation? Yeah, plenty of both. Let's hope he can improve, but honestly what were some people watching last year?!

[Pondering Her Percy]

That's because our receivers were horrible. And are still below average. Wallace is far and away our best receiver, Johnson is second, and a mess after that. Who knows at the end of the season how it will shake out. But it's like to not change much. Wallace and Johnson are both one trick ponys. Speed. Yeah they can get open, Wallace is far more consistent. Johnson could work out, improve, and end up a bonafide #1. He was a starter by default. Patterson was so horrible the head coach had to point out his screw ups in a press conference, bench him, and sign someone off another teams practice squad to start.

All six seasons Wallace has been in the NFL he's performed better than Johnson, now he's a 1B to Wallace? Crisp routes? Good hands? Compared to who? Patterson. He didn't show much of either...speed? Separation? Yeah, plenty of both. Let's hope he can improve, but honestly what were some people watching last year?!

Still very below average huh? I'm not saying they are studs but literally every analyst, coach, fan, and player are saying how Teddy now has so many weapons......except you. So what does that tell me?? You're baiting or don't know what you're talking about or both. This is also coming from the guy that thought AP was nothing special when we drafted him. There's a solid judge of talent and how are our WRs a "mess" after those 2?? Wright and Diggs alone make some pretty good #3 and #4s with room to continue to get better. You're hinging everything on how bad Patterson was which has nothing to do with the rest of the group. So you keep hating on Patterson and our GM since that's the only thing you can hang your hat on.

And if you actually watch Johnson run his routes and catch the ball, yeah he's pretty good at both. What did you think?? He has bad hands??? Based on what, the little to no drops he had last year? You say Johnson and Wallace are one trick ponies because of their speed but then you say "yeah they can get open"?? Well getting open and being fast are two completely different things so in turn, that doesn't make them one trick ponies pal. All in all, I see there was a lot of thought and backing put into your post

[Purple bruise]

Still very below average huh? I'm not saying they are studs but literally every analyst, coach, fan, and player are saying how Teddy now has so many weapons......except you. So what does that tell me?? You're baiting or don't know what you're talking about or both. This is also coming from the guy that thought AP was nothing special when we drafted him. There's a solid judge of talent and how are our WRs a "mess" after those 2?? Wright and Diggs alone make some pretty good #3 and #4s with room to continue to get better. You're hinging everything on how bad Patterson was which has nothing to do with the rest of the group. So you keep hating on Patterson and our GM since that's the only thing you can hang your hat on.

And if you actually watch Johnson run his routes and catch the ball, yeah he's pretty good at both. What did you think?? He has bad hands??? Based on what, the little to no drops he had last year? You say Johnson and Wallace are one trick ponies because of their speed but then you say "yeah they can get open"?? Well getting open and being fast are two completely different things so in turn, that doesn't make them one trick ponies pal. All in all, I see there was a lot of thought and backing put into your post

Mike, Mike, Mike haven't you learned yet.

[Mothman]

Please address opinions and points respectfully and respond to the message without shooting the messenger.

[Purple bruise]

Please address opinions and points respectfully and respond to the message without shooting the messenger.

Sorry Jim, Mike and I have PM before and it is a joke between us.

[Demi]

This is also coming from the guy that thought AP was nothing special when we drafted him.

Where do you even get this crap from? I liked the pick and was positive about it. Let me guess, you're paraphrasing some other comment I made a half dozen years ago?

So you keep hating on Patterson and our GM since that's the only thing you can hang your hat on.

I'm hinging it on having one receiver who's done anything noteworthy on this entire roster. And the rest that have looked average. We have the worst group of receivers in the division. And it's easier to name the teams with worse receiver groups than ours than it is to list teams with better. What are you hanging your hat on? Potential? 40 times? I have actual careers to point out, more below average to bad games than good ones in those careers. What exactly are you basing your positivity on? Some preseason hype?

[Pondering Her Percy]

Where do you even get this crap from? I liked the pick and was positive about it. Let me guess, you're paraphrasing some other comment I made a half dozen years ago?
I'm hinging it on having one receiver who's done anything noteworthy on this entire roster. And the rest that have looked average. We have the worst group of receivers in the division. And it's easier to name the teams with worse receiver groups than ours than it is to list teams with better. What are you hanging your hat on? Potential? 40 times? I have actual careers to point out, more below average to bad games than good ones in those careers. What exactly are you basing your positivity on? Some preseason hype?

It was brought up a few months back where you posted that you questioned the pick.

Also, now you're saying everyone else looked "average" when you said earlier that they were all below average so you aren't keeping your stories straight here. To say we have the worst group in the division isn't saying a ton. You have WRs like Johnson, Jeffery, Nelson, Cobb, Tate, etc. They are some of the best WRs in the league let alone the division. I'm also basing this on what Johnson showed last year. Teddy came on at years end and everyone was all excited over that. Johnson did the same exact thing and now all of the sudden he's below average??

If you look at everyone in the division, our #3 WR (Wright) put up better numbers than any other teams #3 did.

Wright: 42 for 588 and 2
Adams (GB): 38 for 446 and 3
Wilson (CHI): 17 for 140 and 1
Take your pick (DET): Not worth noting

Then you add Wallace and Johnson to fill the 1 and 2 spot. So what are you even basing your "everyone else is below average" claim on?? You're saying Wallace is good, Wright put up better numbers than any other #3 did, and Johnson caught fire at seasons end. I'm not saying Johnson is better than Johnson or Jeffery, etc. but from what he showed last year, I like what I see. Is it the fact that you just can't stand Patterson and because Patterson sucked, everyone else does now?? I really don't know where you're going with this but it's not very far.

[DK Sweets]

Nice work on that last punt return! Next time he has to hit that end zone, though

[Texas Vike]

Nice work on that last punt return! Next time he has to hit that end zone, though

I think he did, so did the commentating crew!

Guy's got moves... can't wait to see more from him this year!

[VikingPaul73]

I was skeptical of the Diggs hype but after just watching a couple of plays, I really think this guy has "it".

I know its a stretch at this point, after just a few plays in 1 preseason game.....but he just looks electric, like he can score at any point!!!!!

Very excited about this guy!!