Michael Sam and the Vikings

[Funkytown]

I will discuss the issues when people on your side discuss and not seek to make the debate personal or call names. Does that sound fair??

I think King James won all these arguments because he/she does not resort to name calling in an argument.

Oh yes. Because his arguments were so solid. Who from "my side" called you a name? You okay?

[King James]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA OH MY GOD. Is King James just a troll? Jesus H Christ

Please explain how I am trolling? It seems that your definition of trolling is whenever someone doesn't have the same opinion as yours.

[Mothman]

[Purple bruise]

Soooo much drama

[Mothman]

Soooo much drama

... and so little football.

[King James]

Oh yes. Because his arguments were so solid. Who from "my side" called you a name? You okay?

I've provided conclusive reasonings for my argument. That's what makes a argument an argument right? It may not be solid to you because you may not agree. Which does not make my argument false.

[mondry]

I've provided conclusive reasonings for my argument. That's what makes a argument an argument right? It may not be solid to you because you may not agree. Which does not make my argument false.

I think you're getting argument confused with opinion.

And your opinion can be that you hate gays, that's your right. And it's my right to feel sorry for you. I wouldn't want to live with that much hatred in my heart.

[King James]

If you guys wanted to talk football, why is there a separate thread made for this guy and why is he not listed in the threads with all the other draft discussion we have? Because HE IS GAY. If this guy wasn't gay, there's a good chance this thread would never existed.

[frosted]

Hey everybody...

Shut up!

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[Mothman]

If you guys wanted to talk football, why is there a separate thread made for this guy and why is he not listed in the threads with all the other draft discussion we have? Because HE IS GAY. If this guy wasn't gay, there's a good chance this thread would never existed.

Nevertheless, it's the Vikings Talk section of a football forum. Frankly, this thread doesn't even belong in this section of the board but the overall subject pertains to football because Michael Sam is a football player. However, all the non-football stuff has no place here. It belongs in the bar section, assuming it has any place on the board at all.

[King James]

I think you're getting argument confused with opinion.

And your opinion can be that you hate gays, that's your right. And it's my right to feel sorry for you. I wouldn't want to live with that much hatred in my heart.

An opinion may be supported by facts, in which case it becomes an argument, although people may draw opposing opinions from the same set of facts.

And where did I say that I had hatred for gays? You are taking my indifference towards homosexual views for hate. I do not hate gay people. I do not wish any bad things towards gay people. I just think what they're doing isn't right. That has nothing to do with hate.

[dead_poet]

Once again, stop comparing race to homosexuality. Two different situations.

You're missing my point. He's the first X to do something. The first X person to do something notable is a story and receives media coverage. This isn't limited to race. The Jackie Robinson example was meant to compare two men that were the "first" to do something in sports. How about Neil Armstrong? The first man in space? Or Ann E. Dunwoody, the first woman four-star general. Or Danica Patrick. Or Sandra Day O'Connor. The first X person doing something in a large scale in the public eye is newsworthy.

Apparently you never watched wrestling because wrestlers can give input on the direction there character is going in. It's not just the writers calling all the shots. The wrestlers often have ideas for creative pitches.

I understand how it works, but it's ultimately not their decision.

Yes it's his fault because he sucks but had a little run some months ago after he came out.

Because that's what the writers/producers decided would sell. Even if he was the one that suggested it (not likely), it would have to have been approved.

Glad to see now that WWE stopping pushing his butt. It's one thing if a person is gay and excels at their craft. But in his case, it's another more than free opportunities giving to him when there were people way in front of him more deserving.

Or it stopped selling and they moved on to another storyline. It's like if a soap opera introduced another character the writers/producers thought would sell, perhaps the character did for awhile but the audience stopped responding/caring. So they either kill the character off or go another direction. This really has so very little to do with the Sam story it's ridiculous to compare the two.

It's one thing if a person is gay and excels at their craft.

This deserves a new quote because...seriously...WHAT? It's OK to be gay if you're good at your craft? Or you should just stay quiet if you're not a first-rounder or already a superstar?

You don't know that. You're not any of the GMs so how can you say what they won't do?

I can't. But it would be remarkably stupid. You don't get to be a GM by being that dumb and drafting a player for primarily PR purposes.

Slavery was normal back then right?. Of course NOW we live in a generation where slavery is looked down upon.

Uh...it was looked down upon back then too. Severely.

Just like homosexuality seems to be in the norm now,

Homosexuality is not a new thing, buckaroo.

but was heavily looked down up back then. Most of us here weren't slaves or never had any slaves so I don't expect you see where Im going from.

I need to be a slave to understand your perspective/logic? Makes perfect sense.

The way America teaches slavery is the exact reason why many black and whites still segregate themselves from each other. But that's a whole different topic

Wut?

Without getting ridiculed? No it isn't.

What are you even talking about? How, in today's society, are you more prone to being ridiculed for your opinions? Is it that, perhaps, you've come to be in the minority in your opinions rather than the majority and it feels like when you express said opinions that they're being increasingly criticized by the masses that don't share them? I find it a little ironic that you seem to be feeling discriminated against. Does it sometimes feel like you have to hide a part of you or stay silent for fear of ridicule/criticism?

Bigot is a term created by people who think their unfairly discriminated against just because some people don't agree with their lifestyle.

Again, the definition of a bigot is a person who strongly and unfairly dislikes other people, ideas, etc./ a person who hates or refuses to accept the members of a particular group. That's the definition of the word. If that's what you are, OK. It doesn't necessarily make you a "bad person." But you can't just re-assign definition of a word. That's what it means.

[Purple bruise]

Nevertheless, it's the Vikings Talk section of a football forum. Frankly, this thread doesn't even belong in this section of the board but the overall subject pertains to football because Michael Sam is a football player. However, all the non-football stuff has no place here. It belongs in the bar section, assuming it has any place on the board at all.

Absolutely. There is no connection (at this or likely no other time) to link this or him with the
Vikings. Hopefully one of our Mods can move it to the Bar or the trash barrell.

[King James]

You're missing my point. He's the first X to do something. The first X person to do something notable is a story and receives media coverage. This isn't limited to race. The Jackie Robinson example was meant to compare two men that were the "first" to do something in sports. How about Neil Armstrong? The first man in space? Or Ann E. Dunwoody, the first woman four-star general. Or Danica Patrick. Or Sandra Day O'Connor. The first X person doing something in a large scale in the public eye is newsworthy.
I understand how it works, but it's ultimately not their decision.
Because that's what the writers/producers decided would sell. Even if he was the one that suggested it (not likely), it would have to have been approved.
Or it stopped selling and they moved on to another storyline. It's like if a soap opera introduced another character the writers/producers thought would sell, perhaps the character did for awhile but the audience stopped responding/caring. So they either kill the character off or go another direction. This really has so very little to do with the Sam story it's ridiculous to compare the two.
This deserves a new quote because...seriously...WHAT? It's OK to be gay if you're good at your craft? Or you should just stay quiet if you're not a first-rounder or already a superstar?
I can't. But it would be remarkably stupid. You don't get to be a GM by being that dumb and drafting a player for primarily PR purposes.
Uh...it was looked down upon back then too. Severely.
Homosexuality is not a new thing, buckaroo.
I need to be a slave to understand your perspective/logic? Makes perfect sense.
Wut?


What are you even talking about? How, in today's society, are you more prone to being ridiculed for your opinions? Is it that, perhaps, you've come to be in the minority in your opinions rather than the majority and it feels like when you express said opinions that they're being increasingly criticized by the masses that don't share them? I find it a little ironic that you seem to be feeling discriminated against. Does it sometimes feel like you have to hide a part of you or stay silent for fear of ridicule/criticism?
Again, the definition of a bigot is a person who strongly and unfairly dislikes other people, ideas, etc./ a person who hates or refuses to accept the members of a particular group. That's the definition of the word. If that's what you are, OK. It doesn't necessarily make you a "bad person." But you can't just re-assign definition of a word. That's what it means.

You've comprehended nothing I typed.

[Funkytown]

Absolutely. There is no connection (at this or likely no other time) to link this or him with the
Vikings. Hopefully one of our Mods can move it to the Bar or the trash barrell.

Weird. Don't the mods sometimes participate in these talks? They're into foolish drama too, huh? Like the rest of us?

Why not just ignore this thread if it's so annoying? Contributing faces and complaints is helping...how?