"Spielman Owning the Draft Once Again" Mock Offseason

[Demi]

My opinion is that Murray is a 2nd or 3rd round talent. That's it. Based on watch entire games he's played. Which is the same reason I wouldn't touch the other 3 at all. I'm not going by mock drafts, or youtube highlights. Just what I've seen of them. I'm not trying to prognosticate, just stating my opinion!

You can have your gauntlet back, it's entirely too random, how many elite prospects usually hit free agency? The draft goes upside down five picks in, a guy has trex arms and suddenly the Vikings get the steal of the draft.

[jackal]

I thought your post was great. I don't think
Johnny Football or many QB's will be there
at the end of the first round. I don't want
Johnny D bag at all... No matter where he
drops too. I wouldn't mind a developmental
QB in round three .. Other teams have found
them Seattle (Wilson) .. To me our Defense
is a the largest problem for our team.

If we spent 5 or 6 picks on defense I
would be fine with that

[Pondering Her Percy]

My opinion is that Murray is a 2nd or 3rd round talent. That's it. Based on watch entire games he's played. Which is the same reason I wouldn't touch the other 3 at all. I'm not going by mock drafts, or youtube highlights. Just what I've seen of them. I'm not trying to prognosticate, just stating my opinion!

You can have your gauntlet back, it's entirely too random, how many elite prospects usually hit free agency? The draft goes upside down five picks in, a guy has trex arms and suddenly the Vikings get the steal of the draft.

And you're entitled to your own opinion. I'm simply stating my side of it. Like i said, I'm going with the majority on this one and sticking to him being drafted in the 4th or later.

[VikingPaul73]

....coming from the guy that "loves" Aaron Murray who is a projected 4-6 round pick. Oh and have I mentioned he might not even be ready for training camp?? It sounds like you know a whole lot more than Spielman

Key difference.....the jury is still out on Murray and Ponder is a proven NFL bust.

I also would be very skeptical of Murray in the 2nd as well, although I'd be happy with him in the 3rd. Either way, I am confident of 1 thing....he has a much better chance of long term NFL success than Tricky Ricky's boy, Christian Ponder.

[mmvikes]

....coming from the guy that "loves" Aaron Murray who is a projected 4-6 round pick. Oh and have I mentioned he might not even be ready for training camp?? It sounds like you know a whole lot more than Spielman

What GM? We did not have a GM when Ponder was drafted.

[VikingPaul73]

Ohhh boy.....it's not "some" mock experts but literally everything that is out there right now says that he is projected to go in the 4th or later. What part don't you understand???

Dude, did you even read his post? Or just see that Demi responded and have a knee-jerk, Pavlov's dog response attacking him for hating Slicky Ricky? He addressed every one of your points, and then you just re-post the same drivel. Read his post - he stated mock experts are historically wildy inaccurate and cited several examples from just last year. Your response? Repeat the smae comment about mocks

A big reason for that is the uncertainty of his injury and how he will recover. Even before his injury, he wasn't THAT sought after of a quarterback. You complain about Spielman reaching for Ponder but you think it's a good idea to reach on a QB that hasn't even recovered from an ACL injury and has been in the middle of the pack regardless?? He is a HUGE question mark right now. Hence, why I highly HIGHLY doubt he will be drafted in the 2nd like you claim.

Again, he addressed this point stating examples and some logical reasons as to why its not too devastating for an NFL QB to recover from an ACL tear, particularly with the skill set the Murray possesses (a skill set which he argues has been successful in the NF).
Instead of refuting his argument, you just restate your original point for the 5th time. Provide something new here, dude. Why is Demi wrong??

Don't you find it odd that there is nobody else out there saying this other than YOU??? I don't know what makes you so confident in this matter other than your big-shot ego and that you just want to disagree with everybody. I'm just going with the majority on this matter which is 99.9%.....you being the 0.01%. That's how one sided that is.

Again, already addressed by Demi. You have no idea what other GMs have on their draft boards.

Furthermore, at least Demi is providing logic and reason as to WHY he thinks Murray will be successful. You only argument is mock drafts Dude, at least TRY to provide some independent thought and analysis. I mean, we can all google different mock drafts, if you have nothing to add beyond that, why should anyone bother reading your "analysis"

Again, like I stated I am skeptical of Murray in the 2nd but still at least appreciate Demi actually defending his postion with some independent thought.

[Purple bruise]

Dude, did you even read his post? Or just see that Demi responded and have a knee-jerk, Pavlov's dog response attacking him for hating Slicky Ricky? He addressed every one of your points, and then you just re-post the same drivel. Read his post - he stated mock experts are historically wildy inaccurate and cited several examples from just last year. Your response? Repeat the smae comment about mocks
Again, he addressed this point stating examples and some logical reasons as to why its not too devastating for an NFL QB to recover from an ACL tear, particularly with the skill set the Murray possesses (a skill set which he argues has been successful in the NF).
Instead of refuting his argument, you just restate your original point for the 5th time. Provide something new here, dude. Why is Demi wrong??
Again, already addressed by Demi. You have no idea what other GMs have on their draft boards.

Furthermore, at least Demi is providing logic and reason as to WHY he thinks Murray will be successful. You only argument is mock drafts Dude, at least TRY to provide some independent thought and analysis. I mean, we can all google different mock drafts, if you have nothing to add beyond that, why should anyone bother reading your "analysis"

Again, like I stated I am skeptical of Murray in the 2nd but still at least appreciate Demi actually defending his postion with some independent thought.

Did some one pee on your corn flakes DUDE. You do not mind blasting anyone that disagrees with you or your "friends" apparently. Calm down it is not that big of a deal dude. I enjoyed your rant to me and blew it off hopefully like Pondering Her Percy will.

[MrPurplenGold]

As far as free agency goes, the Vikings have around 27 million in cap space and of course that will decrease if they can sign Everson Griffen so I don't believe they'll be that active in free agency. They can save some money if they released Guion and Henderson but we won't know that until after the Super Bowl. I can see them signing a CO or a NT and a few depth players.

If there's not a QB they fill comfortable with in the first round I can see them going after a Zach Mettenberger in the second round. Either way I don't think they'll be able to Draft a QB that can make a significant impact this year. There just doesn't seem to be a complete QB in this year's Draft. I just hope they can overlook the physical measurable and Draft a QB that can step up in the pocket, go through their progressions and make the tough throw.

[Purple bruise]

As far as free agency goes, the Vikings have around 27 million in cap space and of course that will decrease if they can sign Everson Griffen so I don't believe they'll be that active in free agency. They can save some money if they released Guion and Henderson but we won't know that until after the Super Bowl. I can see them signing a CO or a NT and a few depth players.

If there's not a QB they fill comfortable with in the first round I can see them going after a Zach Mettenberger in the second round. Either way I don't think they'll be able to Draft a QB that can make a significant impact this year. There just doesn't seem to be a complete QB in this year's Draft. I just hope they can overlook the physical measurable and Draft a QB that can step up in the pocket, go through their progressions and make the tough throw.

Thanks for that information. Do you happen to know what the cap will look like without EJ, Allen and Williams?

[VikingPaul73]

Did some one pee on your corn flakes DUDE. You do not mind blasting anyone that disagrees with you or your "friends" apparently. Calm down it is not that big of a deal dude. I enjoyed your rant to me and blew it off hopefully like Pondering Her Percy will.

Another insightful and informative post from the PHP/PB Dynamic Duo

I'm perfectly calm, dude. Calmer than you are!

[Purple bruise]

Another insightful and informative post from the PHP/PB Dynamic Duo

I'm perfectly calm, dude. Calmer than you are!

Thanks dude we both try to balance out all the doomsday mongering

[Pondering Her Percy]

Dude, did you even read his post? Or just see that Demi responded and have a knee-jerk, Pavlov's dog response attacking him for hating Slicky Ricky? He addressed every one of your points, and then you just re-post the same drivel. Read his post - he stated mock experts are historically wildy inaccurate and cited several examples from just last year. Your response? Repeat the smae comment about mocks

Even if mock "experts" are inaccurate at times, neither of you are understanding that his injury is a big reason he could fall. Especially with his uncertainty of being ready in time. How do you not understand that?? What "examples" did he state?? That Barkley was a projected first rounder?? After Barkley's crap season (at this time last year) he fell wayyyy out of the first round. When the draft became closer, Smith and Nassib also fell. Either way, all of these guys were healthy at that time. You're talking about Murray who is a guy that was a later round projection to begin with and now has a significant injury and Demi all of the sudden thinks he will be a 2nd round pick??? Why would anyone think that Murray would randomly jump 2+ rounds out of nowhere when he's injured. It just makes zero sense. Like I said, he is the only one out there that I have seen that thinks that. Why should I believe him?? I shouldn't and I won't and when the draft rolls around, I believe you will see why.

Again, he addressed this point stating examples and some logical reasons as to why its not too devastating for an NFL QB to recover from an ACL tear, particularly with the skill set the Murray possesses (a skill set which he argues has been successful in the NF).
Instead of refuting his argument, you just restate your original point for the 5th time. Provide something new here, dude. Why is Demi wrong??

He stated what examples?? Tom Brady?? You're talking about one of the best QB's in the game. Just because he can do it doesn't mean a "middle of the pack" QB that hasn't played an NFL down can all of the sudden do it. Tom Brady was widely known as great QB before that happened. What has Murray proved?? Absolutely nothing. So what kind of example is that?? Maybe you should actually look into his posts and "examples" a little deeper than just reading the fine print.

Again, already addressed by Demi. You have no idea what other GMs have on their draft boards.

Furthermore, at least Demi is providing logic and reason as to WHY he thinks Murray will be successful. You only argument is mock drafts Dude, at least TRY to provide some independent thought and analysis. I mean, we can all google different mock drafts, if you have nothing to add beyond that, why should anyone bother reading your "analysis"

Again, like I stated I am skeptical of Murray in the 2nd but still at least appreciate Demi actually defending his postion with some independent thought.

I already said I have no idea what's on GM's draft boards nor does anyone. However, my argument isn't just "mock drafts" but I'm going along with the majority and every expert, analyst, scout, fan, and myself is saying when it comes to Murray.

And don't sit there and say "provide some independent thought and analysis". I just wrote up an entire mock offseason and provided my own thoughts and analysis on every player we picked up. That has nothing to do with me "googling" mock drafts. I write these up 100% on my own and give my opinion just like I do ever single year. Look at the link I provided....I predicted us getting Floyd and Hodges and in another mock I had Rhodes and Hodges at this time last year and justified why we took them. As you can see, many have enjoyed reading my analysis on everything but also had their questions about certain things which is 100% understandable and I expect that. You and 2 others (who we all know of) come on here and do nothing but bash everything I and everyone else says but haven't provided enough analysis for anyone to shake a stick at. So what does that say about your side of the argument? Absolutely nothing besides the negativity you 3 love to bring to this board. I've provided more analysis in this thread than you have ever provided in any thread regarding the draft or free agents so until you do that (which you probably never will), I could care less about what you think.

[Pondering Her Percy]

As far as free agency goes, the Vikings have around 27 million in cap space and of course that will decrease if they can sign Everson Griffen so I don't believe they'll be that active in free agency. They can save some money if they released Guion and Henderson but we won't know that until after the Super Bowl. I can see them signing a CO or a NT and a few depth players.

If there's not a QB they fill comfortable with in the first round I can see them going after a Zach Mettenberger in the second round. Either way I don't think they'll be able to Draft a QB that can make a significant impact this year. There just doesn't seem to be a complete QB in this year's Draft. I just hope they can overlook the physical measurable and Draft a QB that can step up in the pocket, go through their progressions and make the tough throw.

This is what everyone's contract looks like and what we have for cap room. We are at a little over $25 million in cap space.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/lv? ... =drive_web

[Pondering Her Percy]

Looking at that, its hard to see Carlson, Guion, Henderson, Greenway and Ponder coming back...

I believe Greenway would come back but he might have to take a pay cut. He is still a decent LB for us and if we let him go we might be looking for 3 starting LB's. That would be very difficult to do.

[MrPurplenGold]

Looking at that, its hard to see Carlson, Guion, Henderson, Greenway and Ponder coming back...

With Chase Ford playing more they may be willing to let Carlson go and be OK. I think they'll try to restructure Guion and Greenway before releasing either. Henderson I think is pretty much gone. Frazier was his biggest supporter and he's gone so I think Henderson's time with the Vikings is over. Cassell has the right to void his contract if he wants so what they do with ponder depends on what Cassell decides to do. If Cassell stays Ponder is gone, if not I think they'll keep him on the roster and let him compete with whoever they draft.