allday1991 wrote:Appropriately label a person? that says it all...Sense quite a bit of anger here from someone who doesn't like negativity
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I think he's expressing frustration and it's understandable. To me, the key words in his post were "constructive dialogue" and it sounds like his frustration stems from the difficulty in having an intelligent discussion about Ponder without someone plowing into the middle of it with little more to contribute than another brief shot that offers nothing useful to the conversation or anything new that might be relevant. Long tirades about why Ponder sucks that don't actually deal in facts are even less helpful and more disruptive and it's become impossible to avoid this stuff. Heck, I didn't even mention Ponder in the post that started this discussion today and yet he came up a few posts later and here we are again. I think I understand why mosscarter brought him up and if I understood his point correctly, it made sense because right or wrong, the perception of Ponder as a poor QB is one of the driving forces behind the dismissive attitude often being directed at the 2013 Vikes. Nevertheless, as I said, here we are again and a lot of times we don't end up here because the catalyst for a Ponder "debate" made sense.
We call Ponder as we see it cause we watch football and that's what we base him on, he could be the nicest person for all I know. Everyone has an account and the right to voice there opinion and just because its maybe been said 15 times shouldn't stop someone from posting there feelings or what they want to say, if you have herd it a bunch of times skip over it, use self moderation. Like you said before it works both ways someone wants to point out a negative and they keep jumped on, people say something positive they get jumped on. We are all adults here I think, if you don't like something and feel like you cant have a civil conversation read over it, that easy.
I can't speak for The Breeze but I know I appreciate it when negative comments about any player are presented in a way that brings more to the table than "so and so sucks". Above all, I think this forum is a better place for everybody when we discuss football in a realistic way (and I mean
realistic in the actual sense of the word). Don't get me wrong, there's room for humor, venting, opinion, etc. but once a segment of the fans decides they really dislike a player's game, it becomes impossible to have the kind of constructive dialogue The Breeze is talking about because people insist on disrupting it with posts that use loaded language and don't deal with the subject in a reasonable or realistic manner. When such posts are met with responses that contain facts or sincere observations presented as a counterpoint, the responses are often dismissed and the people labeled as apologists when they're simply trying to engage in a reasonable dialogue with someone who isn't interested in being reasonable.
We're all entitled to express our opinions but in the end, if we're not gathered here as Vikings fans to have some fun and engage in a
respectful dialogue about the team and the sport we all love, why are we here? Since, as you pointed out, we're all adults, it should be easy to have a civil discussion around here and unnecessary to skip over a lot of posts so why is it becoming increasingly difficult to have a constructive dialogue about the Vikings quarterback?
For once add something positive to the board 
We all know that you and your ilk all hate Ponder 
