Peterson plea deal...

[Purple Reign]

Interesting....

http://blog.startribune.com/sports/acce ... h-evidence

Interesting, yes, but as I've said before, verbal agreements seldom hold up in court.

[Bavarian]

I'm new here and have sifted through a lot of the comments on AP and I guess I shouldn't be surprised (yet disappointed) to see fandom worship for a guy who was convicted of child abuse. If this were a lesser player, I firmly believe the treatment from you fans would be far different. I don't think many of you are being honest with yourselves in continuing to pull for this guy who showed zero contrition, BTW. If this were Chase Ford, you'd want to bum outta here.
His status and lawyers allowed for a plea deal to take place otherwise he'd be sitting in a prison right now. Yet very few here seem bothered by him playing for their team. He has been an exemplary, hard-working star for years now so that does buy him a free pass to some extent...I get that part too. But this was horrifying stuff. And it seems like no one here even flinched, instead so desperately they want their team to win that it doesn't matter in the least. That's what I see in this thread.

I would think the team would want to distance themselves as far as possible from this black eye. We'll see if they indeed move beyond their initial stand-behind-their-guy PC actions to this point. The Vikes will have an opportunity to release him unceremoniously come March and save a lot of cap space in the process to move forward. There's too much good stuff going on with the new coaching staff, new QB and such to hold on to AP and the burden he brings to the team at this point. And it's about the team, not an individual here. Just my take which is obviously in the minority.
And I agree with the poster that mentioned a top-level LG free agent could be had with the money recouped. I love Iupati but Orlando Franklin may also be available.

[Boon]

But this was horrifying stuff.

If you think that was horrifying, I hope you live in a monastary. Seriously

[Bavarian]

If you think that was horrifying, I hope you live in a monastary. Seriously

Seriously? So, do you advocate stuffing leaves into a defenseless 4-year old's mouth and whipping him like a frenzied animal?

Okay. Feel free to find it acceptable. It doesn't mean I live in a monastary. A court panel of his peers found him guilty. Are you suggesting he was wrongly sentenced? Explain.

[Mothman]

I'm new here and have sifted through a lot of the comments on AP and I guess I shouldn't be surprised (yet disappointed) to see fandom worship for a guy who was convicted of child abuse. If this were a lesser player, I firmly believe the treatment from you fans would be far different. I don't think many of you are being honest with yourselves in continuing to pull for this guy who showed zero contrition, BTW. If this were Chase Ford, you'd want to bum outta here.
His status and lawyers allowed for a plea deal to take place otherwise he'd be sitting in a prison right now. Yet very few here seem bothered by him playing for their team. He has been an exemplary, hard-working star for years now so that does buy him a free pass to some extent...I get that part too. But this was horrifying stuff. And it seems like no one here even flinched, instead so desperately they want their team to win that it doesn't matter in the least. That's what I see in this thread.

As a new board member, perhaps you'd be wise to pull back a little on expressing such sentiments. It's not a good way to make friends and it's not even accurate. Most of us "flinched" and more when the news about Petersonbroke and this board ended up in such chaos that it's former owner shut it down so please, stick to what you know and spare us ignorant comments like "I shouldn't be surprised (yet disappointed) to see fandom worship for a guy who was convicted of child abuse". Nobody here is "worshipping" Peterson, you don't know the people here, Peterson wasn't convicted of child abuse and comments like those you made above are just going to get you in trouble.

Please make sure you read the board rules too: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=20204

Thank you and despite your less-than-friendly post, welcome to VMB.

[Mothman]

Seriously? So, do you advocate stuffing leaves into a defenseless 4-year old's mouth and whipping him like a frenzied animal?

Okay. Feel free to find it acceptable. It doesn't mean I live in a monastary. A court panel of his peers found him guilty. Are you suggesting he was wrongly sentenced? Explain.

A I said above, Peterson wasn't found guilty of child abuse. He was not found guilty by a jury of his peers either. He entered a plea of "no contest" to one count of misdemeanor reckless assault and: "Per terms of the agreement between Peterson and the prosecution, the plea makes no reference to family violence or violence against a minor. Peterson will pay a $4,000 fine, be placed on probation and perform 80 hours of community service."

http://www.si.com/nfl/2014/11/04/adrian ... trial-plea

No evidence has ever been released that verifies the report that he stuffed leaves in his son's mouth and your "frenzied animal" comment is the kind of incendiary hyperbole that isn't going to be tolerated in this thread. As I mentioned, this board became chaotic when Peterson's story broke so this thread is being moderated with an eye toward preventing the conversation from getting out of control again. You're free to post your opinions on the case but please avoid using that kind of exaggerated language and get your facts straight. Thank you.

[J. Kapp 11]

Seriously? So, do you advocate stuffing leaves into a defenseless 4-year old's mouth and whipping him like a frenzied animal?

Okay. Feel free to find it acceptable. It doesn't mean I live in a monastary. A court panel of his peers found him guilty. Are you suggesting he was wrongly sentenced? Explain.

No, they actually didn't.

A GRAND JURY determined there was enough evidence to indict him. Big difference between that and "a court panel of his peers found him guilty," which assumes a trial, where the standard is "guilty beyond a reasonable doubt." In a grand jury, the standard is "enough evidence that he could be guilty." It's a far, far lower standard. Lots of people are indicted and never convicted at trial. But again, Peterson's case never went to trial, so the only guilt he carries IN THE EYES OF THE LAW is the misdemeanor charge to which he pled guilty.

Now, before you flame, understand I'm not condoning what he did, nor do I necessarily believe that he believes he did anything wrong (which would be the clincher for me to see him gone for good). That being said, you are the one who brought up the legal stuff. I'm just pointing out that legally, he's only guilty of a misdemeanor. It's likely that at least one person in the NFL will be guilty of a misdemeanor before this week is over. It's also likely that player will not be banned from playing in the NFL.

One thing you should understand ... Peterson's actions have been discussed and debated at length here. Many wanted him gone immediately, with no chance for reinstatement. Others wanted to see how the legal process played out. Still others feel he deserves a second chance if he's truly sorry for what he's done. At any rate, it is NOT blind fandom worship. Not by any stretch of the imagination. You say you have read through a lot of the comments in this thread. I suggest you take some time and read them all from the beginning and see for yourself. Anyone who is in favor of him returning does so in the spirit of second chances, not blind fandom.

Bottom line: You will not find a more intelligent fan base, nor a more civil group of board members than you'll find here at VMB. We don't flame each other personally, we don't question each other's fandom, and we don't call each other names -- on the rare occasions it happens, mods like Jim (Mothman) deal with it pretty swiftly. If you want to join us in intelligent conversation, welcome. In the course of that conversation, if you want to attack an IDEA, go for it. But if you want to flame and get personal and call names, well, this isn't the place for it. There are plenty of boards that go for that stuff, but not here.

See, the intelligence and civility of this board are what most of us love most about it. And it's a big reason this board actually made national news when it shut down in September ... in protest to Peterson's actions, by the way.

[Bavarian]

As a new board member, perhaps you'd be wise to pull back a little on expressing such sentiments. It's not a good way to make friends and it's not even accurate. Most of us "flinched" and more when the news about Petersonbroke and this board ended up in such chaos that it's former owner shut it down so please, stick to what you know and spare us ignorant comments like "I shouldn't be surprised (yet disappointed) to see fandom worship for a guy who was convicted of child abuse". Nobody here is "worshipping" Peterson, you don't know the people here, Peterson wasn't convicted of child abuse and comments like those you made above are just going to get you in trouble.

Please make sure you read the board rules too: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=20204

Thank you and despite your less-than-friendly post, welcome to VMB.

Less than friendly? How is that? Because I simply don't agree with the masses? That's ridiculous. Where am I, Salem?
I'm not here to make friends nor am I to make enemies but I should think I'm allowed to view my sentiments, which I did. I expressed disappointment of the posts. I didn't call anyone names. Maybe you ought not to be so sensitive. I do stand by my claim that worshipping is going on. How else does 90+ percent of the posters sound giddy to see him on the field after this? I'm just amazed. Sorry if I touched a nerve but that's my opinion.

I read that Peterson HAD been indicted. Is this wrong? Even if it were, this does nothing to detract my views towards Adrian, nor should it anyone else IMO but I digress. I guess fan truly is short for fanatic.
I personally will forever find it very difficult to pull for him in the future. And what troubles me is how most everyone here is giving him such a free pass and now justifying due to his court "status" as if he did nothing to change what he did to that boy. Cheer for him and pray he continues to run the ball for your team. I'm one who won't. Am I allowed to say that? Let me know. I'll be sure to scour the board rules pertaining opinion expression. Maybe it's NOT allowed after all since you mention it's not "wise" to express sentiments. And I see that my opinion is now "ignorant" as well.

I think it's clear what kind of sight this is....

[PurpleMustReign]

Good Lord.

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[chicagopurple]

well, I can understand Bavarian.......lacerating a child's scrotum and buttocks is pretty horrifying! If Peterson was a Packer we would not see much support of him here on this site at all. Its all based on over-valuing a sport. I dont see a bunch of grown men signing up to have THEIR scrotum torn open with stick! The only reason its a misdemeanor is because, A. the victim is a child and children are almost voiceless in our justice system, B. The offender is very rich and can afford the best legal defense, C. The mom probably has some idea that if AP stays free she will get more $$$'s

[Cliff]

well, I can understand Bavarian....

The funny part is, that I actually understand what Bavarian is saying as well. I agreed with him on a few points. However, I'm not going to get into an argument with a person in his first day posting about how things are done here. It's a waste of time for both of us.

No, we're not going to let new people come in and start picking fights over subjects that have nearly 30 pages of comments in them with people already arguing on his behalf on every single page. Nothing he said was new; it was just stated in a way to get a reaction from people who disagreed. That doesn't fly here and never has.

[frosted]

The funny part is, that I actually understand what Bavarian is saying as well. I agreed with him on a few points. However, I'm not going to get into an argument with a person in his first day posting about how things are done here. It's a waste of time for both of us.

No, we're not going to let new people come in and start picking fights over subjects that have nearly 30 pages of comments in them with people already arguing on his behalf on every single page. Nothing he said was new; it was just stated in a way to get a reaction from people who disagreed. That doesn't fly here and never has.

He wasn't banned, was he? Kind of Bush League if so, IMO..He had some good takes on other topics here. We have long standing users on this board who post much less intelligent, much more trollish things on a regular basis trying to get a rise out of other users.

[Cliff]

He wasn't banned, was he? Kind of Bush League if so, IMO..He had some good takes on other topics here. We have long standing users on this board who post much less intelligent, much more trollish things on a regular basis trying to get a rise out of other users.

Yes, he was banned. There's another part of the conversation that isn't on the board any longer between him and myself. I was trying to avoid banning as I agree with you, I enjoyed his takes on some of the topics as well.

[frosted]

Yes, he was banned. There's another part of the conversation that isn't on the board any longer between him and myself. I was trying to avoid banning as I agree with you, I enjoyed his takes on some of the topics as well.

Ahh, I see. Understandable. Too bad though.

[Purple Reign]

See, the intelligence and civility of this board are what most of us love most about it. And it's a big reason this board actually made national news when it shut down in September ... in protest to Peterson's actions, by the way.

Actually, the board was shut down not so much in protest to AP's actions, but rather due to the Wilf's actions of reinstating AP after only missing 1 game and not wanting to give voice to those who thought what AP did was ok. Don't want to start a debate here, just stating some facts (at least those were the reasons given in the article).