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yezzir wrote:Seattle just won. Crap.

It's okay... the Vikes don't belong in the same sentence as the word "playoffs".

Luck game winning drive over lions.

Tom Pelissero @TomPelissero 11m
Frazier says Christian Ponder will remain #Vikings QB.

Tom Pelissero @TomPelissero 30m
Boy, those bookmakers know their stuff. #Packers 23, #Vikings 14

It just underlines Ponder's incompetence even more that Luck and Wilson won games for their teams today.

Edit to add: McElroy also came in to replace Sanchez and win.

yezzir wrote:Tom Pelissero @TomPelissero 11m
Frazier says Christian Ponder will remain #Vikings QB.

Hmmm...

Tom Pelissero @TomPelissero 30m
Boy, those bookmakers know their stuff. #Packers 23, #Vikings 14

Wow!

FK28 wrote: this is exactly what i am saying! everybody has decided he cant qb! decision made without a trial. guilty till proven innocent without the chance to show proof!

Here's the deal with QB evaluation - is the guy showing improvement? Is he making the throws he should make? Is he showing more awareness? Is he gaining a sense of confidence?

Ponder is failing in this. The mistakes are the same every week. The same tendencies show up. He's not showing growth.

The thing that bugs me is this is the pros. Guys who make it to this level shouldn't need to be coddled. You make a pro team, you perform. Maybe younger guys get a little more slack than vets, but just a little. If you're a starter, you get treated like a starter.

Frazier is making a big mistake by protecting Ponder. He may be a player's coach (whatever that means), but he could easily lose his locker room if they begin to believe Ponder is costing them games. That doesn't appear to have happened yet, but a few more like today at home might turn things decidedly against both Ponder and Frazier.

yezzir wrote:Tom Pelissero @TomPelissero 11m
Frazier says Christian Ponder will remain #Vikings QB.

Einstein's definition of "insanity" comes to mind.

Re: the QB. Modern Coaches grade every play. I'm curious how Ponder rates in these evaluations. More than one of his completions today were off target. I recall a key third down where if his pocket presence offered him even slight ability to evade pressure, he would have had an easy conversion to a wide open receiver.

Mothman wrote:The defense gave up an 11 minute scoring drive in the 4th quarter when the Vikings were trailing by just 6 points. I realize Ponder's INTs were brutal but how is that excusable in a 6 point game?

They were utterly worn down by then. See time of possession thread.

Reasons for loss:

Vikings fan line ...

Corey Cove: 100% on Ponder.

Mike Morris: Very high on Ponder.

VikingLord wrote: Here's the deal with QB evaluation - is the guy showing improvement? Is he making the throws he should make? Is he showing more awareness? Is he gaining a sense of confidence?

Ponder is failing in this. The mistakes are the same every week. The same tendencies show up. He's not showing growth.

The thing that bugs me is this is the pros. Guys who make it to this level shouldn't need to be coddled. You make a pro team, you perform. Maybe younger guys get a little more slack than vets, but just a little. If you're a starter, you get treated like a starter.

Frazier is making a big mistake by protecting Ponder. He may be a player's coach (whatever that means), but he could easily lose his locker room if they begin to believe Ponder is costing them games. That doesn't appear to have happened yet, but a few more like today at home might turn things decidedly against both Ponder and Frazier.

I agree with this take.

VikingLord wrote: Here's the deal with QB evaluation - is the guy showing improvement? Is he making the throws he should make? Is he showing more awareness? Is he gaining a sense of confidence?

Ponder is failing in this. The mistakes are the same every week. The same tendencies show up. He's not showing growth.

The thing that bugs me is this is the pros. Guys who make it to this level shouldn't need to be coddled. You make a pro team, you perform. Maybe younger guys get a little more slack than vets, but just a little. If you're a starter, you get treated like a starter.

Frazier is making a big mistake by protecting Ponder. He may be a player's coach (whatever that means), but he could easily lose his locker room if they begin to believe Ponder is costing them games. That doesn't appear to have happened yet, but a few more like today at home might turn things decidedly against both Ponder and Frazier.

Not trying to be too emotionally reactionary, but I dont think I would mind that happening.

@KFAN1003: More AP: "I'll look back at the opportunities I missed that could have helped us win the game" Says the guy who ran for more than 200 yds

FK28 wrote: this is exactly what i am saying! everybody has decided he cant qb! decision made without a trial. guilty till proven innocent without the chance to show proof!

You realize we have seen him play QB in the NFL before right? And he looked even more lost than Ponder. Same lack of accuracy. no touch. No ability to read defenses. They tried moving him back to receiver AFTER giving him a shot at QB.

Give Bummy McBumBum more shots, or trot a glorified receiver out there. Boy, sure am glad Childress is gone so we can fix the quarterback position!

CalVike wrote:@KFAN1003: More AP: "I'll look back at the opportunities I missed that could have helped us win the game" Says the guy who ran for more than 200 yds

Stud muffin.