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CbusVikesFan wrote:There are good qb's that overcome bad line play, bad defenses, interceptions, etc. I have seen nothing in TB's play that warrants that.

No doubt. Which ones as rookies though?

dead_poet wrote:Keep in mind when analyzing/comparing stats the offense and number of attempts per season. For some comparison:

(2014)

Brees: 659
Ryan: 628
Luck: 616
Roethlisberger: 608
Rivers: 570

Wilson 2014: 452 attempts (19th)
Wilson 2013: 407 attempts (22)

Wilson had more wins than any other quarterback in NFL history though his first three seasons. Wilson's career numbers so far stack up with the best quarterbacks in the NFL over the last three years. He's one of six quarterbacks with at least 9,000 passing yards, 60 touchdowns and 500 rushing yards during that span. Here are some more fun facts:

And all of that supports the fact that he is one of the best game managers in history for what was one of the best teams in recent memory, he still isn't worth his contract, which pays him as an Elite QB.

Cliff wrote: Yeah, so far Bridgewater has put up Ponderish numbers but I think saying "no hope that he will be no more than average" is a little premature. Some of us even gave Ponder the full 3 years before throwing in the towel

Every year I hope for the best and expect much less because that is all that I known except for a small window here and there. Call me jaded or a pessimist, it is okay with me. I have lived it many a year. Every qb cycle gives me hope that the FO and staff know something I do not. Every year I could be closer. When Ponder was drafted, I asked myself, "what is wrong with Dalton? Who is this Ponder dude? Now I jumped on the bandwagon and really tried to hype myself and wanted sorely to have a qb to be proud of and would be the envy of the league. It didn't take too many games to figure that the answer would be no.
Time after time is the case with the Vikings. What in the hell do they see that I don't?
Same way with Teddy. I want so bad for him to be exceptional but after a few games I do not see it coming to fruition. Oh sure, he can win you some games, the defense can pitch in and even special teams will/can boost this team to victories.
So, after this many games if Teddy has not progressed leaps and bounds the likelihood of him being exceptional passes with each game. He should be able to overcome those things that a better than average qb does on a regular basis. To me, he has not. And until he proves me wrong, this is the stance I will take.

Jordysghost wrote:And all of that supports the fact that he is one of the best game managers in history for what was one of the best teams in recent memory

That's an...interesting conclusion based on the information provided.

Packers fans are just talking all that good shiitake mushrooms after the win this season.
They are trying to say a guy who had three consecutive 3100+ yard passing seasons where
he also rushed for somewhere between about 500 and 900 yards as a "game manager."

It is just not bearing out when you watch him play and see some fairly gaudy stats.
I would like for Teddy to be a 3600 yard, 26+ touchdowns with 10 or so total turnovers
"game manager."

dead_poet wrote: That's an...interesting conclusion based on the information provided.

Not really, he certainly isn't the player his contract says he is. His contract says he's elite, his numbers say he is good but quite clearly not elite.

Hunter Morrow wrote:Packers fans are just talking all that good shiitake mushrooms after the win this season.
They are trying to say a guy who had three consecutive 3100+ yard passing seasons where
he also rushed for somewhere between about 500 and 900 yards as a "game manager."

It is just not bearing out when you watch him play and see some fairly gaudy stats.
I would like for Teddy to be a 3600 yard, 26+ touchdowns with 10 or so total turnovers
"game manager."

He relies on Defense and Running game to beat you, and has never thrown for 27 td in a season or more.

Maybe 'game manager' is too commonly regarded as being mediocre for some people to want to apply that tag to Wilson, ok fine. He is a good player who gets payed far too much, better?

Oh and, nothing about this season drastically alters how i view the Seahawks, or Wilson.