Vikings QB Kellen Mond test positive for COVID; three QBs including Kirk Cousins expected to miss practice

[TSonn]

The polio vaccine was extremely effective in part because a very high percentage of people received it. Polio was eradicated due to the high percentage of people who were vaccinated. The COVID vaccines are showing a high level of effectiveness. Yes there are break through cases. There have been a few deaths among those vaccinated. In general vaccinated people are not getting sick with COVID. Reality is the vaccine is not 100% effective. However, it is very effective in preventing significant illness.
The percentage of those who become symptomatic is very small. Particularly when compared to the unvaccinated who are driving hospitalizations and deaths. We are seeing deaths rise regardless of the patients being younger. Deaths are exceeding 2K/week and growing. Pediatric centers are seeing increases in children with serious illness.

The odds of having a significant adverse effect to the vaccine is miniscule. Not just the odds of getting COVID, but the odds of having significant illness, long term effects, or death is significantly higher than any side effects to the vaccine. Take a little time and look up data on long hauler COVID patients. Mayo has good data on that.

For the COVID vaccine to truly mitigate the virus we need more people vaccinated. Please check reputable sites, when looking at research verify it is peer reviewed. You would be surprised at how many quacks get published, but their results do not stand up to peer review.

I don’t dispute this. But it still doesn’t answer my question. I hear constantly that we don’t know what the long term effects of Covid could be. And I agree, we don’t. So why is it so crazy and selfish when people voice concerns about not knowing what any long term effects of the vaccine could be?

Which vaccine? I assume you mean those "new" mRNA vaccines? They've been studying them for decades.

[Dmizzle0]

The Vikings COVID drama is making the Rodgers drama seem not so bad.

Rodgers said no one wants to lives in his team's city and called out his GM for nearly every cut or not extended starter, basically saying team management has no idea what they are doing.

I don't think our Covid drama comes close to that.

I mean yea its pretty condescending but it doesn't affect the roster and his teammates can oddly enough can get behind that

[Thaumaturgist]

How are the long term effects of Covid "100%" known for a virus we all just learned about less than 2 years ago?

I guess what I mean is that there are some long term effects that we know with 100% certainty that can happen, and they aren't good.

[Bowhunting Viking]

A lot of misinformation out there but I am genuinely curious how many athletes, college or higher, have gotten seriously ill from Covid? Last year it seemed a lot of guys got it and didn't even know they had it, and the biggest impact to them getting it was losing their ability to play for a couple of weeks. That might be the reason most of these guys don't want to get the vaccine.

a quick google of NFL Players having to recover from covid:


Von Miller
Miles Garrett
Jonathan Greenard (texans)
Tommy Sweeney (bills)
Cameron Brate (bucs)
Ryquell Armstead (jags) Sat out rest of season due to covid symptoms

https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2021/3/3/2 ... -asia-durr

I remember an NFL lineman and wife caught it. Wife had only mild symptoms, but the NFL player got hit hard. It doesn't discriminate. Garrett said he was only 50% after returning from covid last year. There are people that can't get rid of symptoms (long haulers), have permanent scaring of tissue and will never be 100%.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2 ... in-foster/

I am sure you are referring to the Rams Andrew Whitworth. His wife contracted covid from having lunch with a friend. She in turn passed it to him. Then both of her parents were also infected because they took a family vacation together. Whitworth said in an interview they were scared to death their children would also get it. The father in law was in the hospital for a very long period and was critically ill with it. Thankfully all recovered.
Tony Boselli, IMO one of the best ever, and his wife both also contracted covid. He said she was pretty much asymptomatic, but he was really knocked for a loop with it. He said it was prob the worst thing he ever experienced health wise. That prob led to alot of teasing lol. Little wife took it and bug bad ex lineman knocked down

[chicagopurple]

obesity is a huge risk factor for bad outcomes along with high BP. All these huge linemen with the buddha belly are at particular risk.

[soflavike]

While the virus behavior is fairly well understood, thanks to a decade of prior research into Corona viruses, the specific pathology of each variant is still developing. We won't know for sure what all the long term effects can be, and they are unlikely to be the same for each patient. Some of the pathologies are starting to emerge, even among those who had relatively mild bouts of sickness with Covid-19. Effects on the lungs, heart and brain have been identified in surviving patients. Mayo Clinic has a good summary here: https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-con ... t-20490351

[soflavike]

Sorry... double posted somehow.

[Dmizzle0]

While the virus behavior is fairly well understood, thanks to a decade of prior research into Corona viruses, the specific pathology of each variant is still developing. We won't know for sure what all the long term effects can be, and they are unlikely to be the same for each patient. Some of the pathologies are starting to emerge, even among those who had relatively mild bouts of sickness with Covid-19. Effects on the lungs, heart and brain have been identified in surviving patients. Mayo Clinic has a good summary here: https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-con ... t-20490351

And that's thing, people think that coronavirus existed for only a couple of years.

[chicagopurple]

corona virus as group is just a common cold virus, we have seen and treated millions of cases per year every year. It has many variants and all were really benign. Within the last 2 years these new variants emerged and they are very altered, they are NOT seasonal which is a big change, classic corona was very much a winter virus, Covid 19 flourishes in all seasons and all temperatures. Obviously, it also mutated in terms of severity of illness. Classic covid was a mild respiratory illness. The Covid 19 variant attacks the heart, brain, blood vessels etc causing multi organ failures, strokes, etc. It is disturbing that so many features mutated at the same time. This is not how viruses typically change. It is this fact and the fact that it emerged in a city that houses China's Viral "research " lab which raised the specter of this being a weaponized virus. I am no conspiracy loon, but I also cannot stick my head in the sand.

[VikingLord]

Sounds like Mother Nature had little to do with the creation of this virus,

Conspiracy theories... Got to love them...

Like Nature by itself can't produce something like this without the amazing human mind getting involved first...

but even if it was a naturally occurring thing, I wouldn't be so heartless about these people dying as to imply their deaths are just a part of natural selection.

Actually, you're right - it's not part of natural selection.

If it was natural selection they wouldn't have a say in the matter, would they? During the bubonic plague, those poor folks didn't know what was killing them, nor how it was transmitted. They were truly at the mercy of Mother Nature.

But our modern unvaccinated are NOT in the same boat, are they?

We know what causes this disease. We know how it is transmitted. We have a tool called a vaccine that is based on science and *extensive* study via clinical trials that are *well-documented* and *independently verified* that any numbskull can look up for themselves to get the facts.

Vaccines do not cause infection. None of them do that, much less the mRNA ones. They give the immune systems a "heads-up" on a potentially dangerous invader. That's all they do. Since people are not all the same and vaccines have to be manufactured and delivered with other components, can they cause some problems for some people? Sure they can, and nobody would say different.

But to equate that relatively low risk and largely low impact outcome to the high risk and high impact outcome associated with getting COVID?

So no, I don't feel sorry for anyone who is eligible for this vaccine and makes a conscious choice not to get it. They have a choice, and they're making an objectively poor (and selfish) one. If anyone is heartless, it is those who could act to prevent the suffering of others and yet choose not to. Those, Stump, are the definition of the heartless. They think only of themselves and do not care if anyone else suffers because of their selfishness.

[CharVike]

Some other QB news.
Lamar Jackson returned to the Baltimore Ravens' facility Friday, but it's unknown when the former NFL MVP will come back to the practice field. Jackson missed the previous 10 days of training camp, which is the NFL rule for unvaccinated players who receive a positive result. He is undergoing testing at the facility under the NFL's protocol, Ravens coach John Harbaugh said.

The Buffalo Bills and quarterback Josh Allen have agreed to a six-year contract extension worth $258 million, $150 million of that guaranteed, sources tell ESPN's Adam Schefter. The Wyoming alum earned the extension after an MVP runner-up season in 2020, during which he set franchise records for passing yards (4,544) and passing touchdowns (37) while leading the Bills to the AFC Championship Game and their first division title since 1995.

[VikingLord]

I don’t dispute this. But it still doesn’t answer my question. I hear constantly that we don’t know what the long term effects of Covid could be. And I agree, we don’t. So why is it so crazy and selfish when people voice concerns about not knowing what any long term effects of the vaccine could be?

It isn't crazy or selfish to question vaccine safety and efficacy, and in fact that very concern drives the development of every vaccine. Before you get to the point where someone is sticking a needle in your arm, the contents of that syringe have been extensively questioned.

Vaccines are put through rigorous blind trials, data is collected from people of all ages, races, nationalities all over the world by medical specialists, and results are documented, peer reviewed and independently verifiable. Every single person who participated in the clinical trials is known and documented down to the last unusual booger they experienced during the trial period.

When there is the slightest hint of a problem based on documented evidence, the trials are halted or, as in the case of the J&J vaccine, the vaccine is suspended while more study is done.

Scientists and doctors need to get this type of thing right, not only because the only reason to produce a vaccine is to ward off a potentially deadly or disabling disease, but also to retain credibility, because if they lose that then this avenue of choking off a deadly disease will be gone if nobody can trust the process that produces it.

[VikingLord]

It is this fact and the fact that it emerged in a city that houses China's Viral "research " lab which raised the specter of this being a weaponized virus. I am no conspiracy loon, but I also cannot stick my head in the sand.

If this is a weaponized virus, China sucks at weaponizing viruses. For all of it's negative effects, COVID is not nearly transmissible enough, nor deadly enough, to be an effective bio-weapon. While that doesn't mean it wasn't being studied in that lab or transmitted from that lab, there is not nearly enough evidence to conclude it was engineered by people, modified by people, or otherwise people had anything to do with it's development or release.

The virus from the last great pandemic, the Spanish Flu, was first documented in Haskell, Kansas ([url]https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resour ... e-1918.htm[/url)]. This was before people even knew what a virus was. All natural. No human engineering needed.

[808vikingsfan]

Hometown hospital cuts ties with Minnesota Vikings QB Kirk Cousins over vaccine comments


I hope it continues and becomes a trend for all players who refuse the vaccine.

[VikingsVictorious]

One thing I'm certain of is that Kirk means well. I'm also certain that he will follow protocols so closely that COVID is going to have a hard time getting him. I wish he saw it my way and got the vaccine, but I don't believe there is any intent to be selfish or do any harm in any way.