Trent Williams

[VikingsVictorious]

For this to pan out, you'd have to believe Zimmer can get over the hump, Spielman crushes the draft, and Williams stays healthy. Seems a lot to ask for considering all the history to the contrary. I'd rather move Oneill to LT and look for a RT in the draft.

I hear ya, I liked the idea of O'Neill at LT but again, we're doing nothing but creating more holes. If they were going to do that, they'd cut Reiff by now. We have too many holes entering the draft. If we look for a RT in the draft, we now would need to find 2 starting guards and a starting tackle in 1 draft, plus need a few corners, WRs and more. We cant create any more holes at this point. By trading Reiff and a pick for Williams, we arent creating a hole, we're just making one position significantly better.

I see you have us trading a fourth and Reiff for Williams. I think Washington can do better.
Possibly get him for Reiff and a third. I do not trade for Williams unless Reiff is included. Even if that works out can we sign Williams for a price we can afford? If we trade Harris for a pick or just let him go we could afford Williams, but I want to keep Harris.

[J. Kapp 11]

By no means am I saying it's a done deal or saying that anything is imminent. But I got a text from an ex Skins O linemans brother about 1 min ago that said " Well Proff ( my nickname) it's now a closer possibility than it was a few hrs ago, that your early Christmas present may be a big All Pro left OT who is very familiar with your franchise OB. Wil let u know if it gets done"
So maybe it just might happen.

Wow that is big. I wonder what it will take.

I'm hoping Reiff and one of our thirds, at most. More than that, and we're getting robbed. It's not that Williams isn't good. It's that Washington has no chance of keeping him, thus no leverage.

Then we'd just have to fill the two gaping holes at guard.

[Pondering Her Percy]

I hear ya, I liked the idea of O'Neill at LT but again, we're doing nothing but creating more holes. If they were going to do that, they'd cut Reiff by now. We have too many holes entering the draft. If we look for a RT in the draft, we now would need to find 2 starting guards and a starting tackle in 1 draft, plus need a few corners, WRs and more. We cant create any more holes at this point. By trading Reiff and a pick for Williams, we arent creating a hole, we're just making one position significantly better.

I see you have us trading a fourth and Reiff for Williams. I think Washington can do better.
Possibly get him for Reiff and a third. I do not trade for Williams unless Reiff is included. Even if that works out can we sign Williams for a price we can afford? If we trade Harris for a pick or just let him go we could afford Williams, but I want to keep Harris.

Harris saves $11 million. Reiff saves $8.8. If we cut Elflein and traded Reiff, that saves $10.9 million. So yes, we should be able to sign Williams either way.

[J. Kapp 11]

I see you have us trading a fourth and Reiff for Williams. I think Washington can do better.
Possibly get him for Reiff and a third. I do not trade for Williams unless Reiff is included. Even if that works out can we sign Williams for a price we can afford? If we trade Harris for a pick or just let him go we could afford Williams, but I want to keep Harris.

Harris saves $11 million. Reiff saves $8.8. If we cut Elflein and traded Reiff, that saves $10.9 million. So yes, we should be able to sign Williams either way.

Don't you wonder if the Vikings just love Elflein, for no apparent reason?

I mean, they cut Kline, who played average and wouldn't have cost them much, and kept Elflein, who was brutalized in almost every game last year. It just seems like one of those strangely unnatural "we love this guy" situations with Elf.

Based on nothing but that queasy feeling ... I'd bet the Vikings start Elflein at left guard again this year.

[StumpHunter]

Harris saves $11 million. Reiff saves $8.8. If we cut Elflein and traded Reiff, that saves $10.9 million. So yes, we should be able to sign Williams either way.

Don't you wonder if the Vikings just love Elflein, for no apparent reason?

I mean, they cut Kline, who played average and wouldn't have cost them much, and kept Elflein, who was brutalized in almost every game last year. It just seems like one of those strangely unnatural "we love this guy" situations with Elf.

Based on nothing but that queasy feeling ... I'd bet the Vikings start Elflein at left guard again this year.

Kline didn't play average, or they don't cut him to save a few million.

You are right though, I think they at least let Elf compete for a starting LG spot. Probably because of what he does in the run game. They clearly value that more than pass blocking.

[StumpHunter]

I see you have us trading a fourth and Reiff for Williams. I think Washington can do better.
Possibly get him for Reiff and a third. I do not trade for Williams unless Reiff is included. Even if that works out can we sign Williams for a price we can afford? If we trade Harris for a pick or just let him go we could afford Williams, but I want to keep Harris.

Harris saves $11 million. Reiff saves $8.8. If we cut Elflein and traded Reiff, that saves $10.9 million. So yes, we should be able to sign Williams either way.

Yeah, we have enough to keep him this year, as the Vikings could probably get away with having him count as 10 million versus the cap with an extension. It would make his cap hit next year significant, and we already have the 7th lowest cap available in 2021. Reiff coming off the books would help with that though, probably keeping us at the 5th least amount of cap.

[Dakotavike]

Per my info given to me from William'sdmgreat friend and ex teammate , the Vikes are working very seriously at getting him under contract with us. The Browns are also coming at him very aggressively. I can also tell you for sure that he himself is definitely hoping to have it work out for him to be a Viking.
Another thing, yes he us 32 yrs old. But , and this comes from from the guy who played right beside him for 6 seasons, he is healthy, very well rested and very hungry to get away from the Skins debacle and play for a good organization.
So I know he wants to be a Viking, and its gonna be interesting to see if we are able to do enough maneuvering without hurting the roster to get it done.
Guess we will know before too long possibly.
If I hear anything before its announced publicly I will post it here.

Thanks for keeping us in the loop BV! Pretty cool to have such insider info. I've become mildly obsessed with the possibility of getting this deal done. I, personally, think this would be such a boost to our entire offense. Really hope to hear something soon. 'Williams Watch' continues!!!

[Pondering Her Percy]

Don't you wonder if the Vikings just love Elflein, for no apparent reason?

I mean, they cut Kline, who played average and wouldn't have cost them much, and kept Elflein, who was brutalized in almost every game last year. It just seems like one of those strangely unnatural "we love this guy" situations with Elf.

Based on nothing but that queasy feeling ... I'd bet the Vikings start Elflein at left guard again this year.

Kline didn't play average, or they don't cut him to save a few million.

You are right though, I think they at least let Elf compete for a starting LG spot. Probably because of what he does in the run game. They clearly value that more than pass blocking.

We’ve already gone over this. They didn’t cut him for bad play. If that was the case they would have let him go when they did Joseph and Rhodes. They cut him because he refused a pay cut.

My guess is, Elflein is being kept as an emergency option if they can’t find two starting guards via the draft and free agency. I always said I don’t mind keeping him as a backup but not a starter

[VikingsVictorious]

I see you have us trading a fourth and Reiff for Williams. I think Washington can do better.
Possibly get him for Reiff and a third. I do not trade for Williams unless Reiff is included. Even if that works out can we sign Williams for a price we can afford? If we trade Harris for a pick or just let him go we could afford Williams, but I want to keep Harris.

Harris saves $11 million. Reiff saves $8.8. If we cut Elflein and traded Reiff, that saves $10.9 million. So yes, we should be able to sign Williams either way.

IMO that is too much cost. Reiff, a third round pick and Harris. I guess if we can get a good return on a Harris trade I'm OK with it. It will still depend on how much we need to pay Williams. I don't think we should pay him as if he is still the dominant all pro LT he was. We won't be able to see how much he still has left.

[Pondering Her Percy]

Harris saves $11 million. Reiff saves $8.8. If we cut Elflein and traded Reiff, that saves $10.9 million. So yes, we should be able to sign Williams either way.

IMO that is too much cost. Reiff, a third round pick and Harris. I guess if we can get a good return on a Harris trade I'm OK with it. It will still depend on how much we need to pay Williams. I don't think we should pay him as if he is still the dominant all pro LT he was. We won't be able to see how much he still has left.

Noooo I do NOT want to trade both. I think you misread that, no big deal. No I dont want to trade Harris at all. I'm saying that if we traded Harris alone for Williams, it saves us $11 million. If we trade Reiff and a pick for Williams it saves us $8.8 plus we can cut Elflein and have a total savings of $10.9 million. So my point is, no matter what player we traded (Reiff OR Harris), it saves us the same amount pretty much given they would cut Elflein after a Reiff trade.

In turn, would we rather:

trade Harris and keep Reiff at guard and maybe keep Elflein or let him go

OR

trade Reiff, cut Elflein, throw a mid round pick in and keep Harris.

I think it's a no brainer. Keep Harris, get Reiff the heck out of here. Sure, trading Reiff and possibly being forced to cut Elflein creates a "hole" at guard given Elflein being gone but 1.) Elflein isnt a good starter anyways and 2.) having Williams at left tackle would drastically help a young left guard. Much more than someone like Reiff would.

[fiestavike]

Harris saves $11 million. Reiff saves $8.8. If we cut Elflein and traded Reiff, that saves $10.9 million. So yes, we should be able to sign Williams either way.

Yeah, we have enough to keep him this year, as the Vikings could probably get away with having him count as 10 million versus the cap with an extension. It would make his cap hit next year significant, and we already have the 7th lowest cap available in 2021. Reiff coming off the books would help with that though, probably keeping us at the 5th least amount of cap.

I think if they could trade Reiff and a 3rd or 4th for Williams, and Harris for a 2nd or 3rd, the Vikings would be able to trade up to #4 with the 22, 25, and our 2nd to get Herbert and still have a lot of draft picks for this year. They could clear a ton of cap if they move on from Kirk before 2021, and backloading a few contracts to make them work for this year will hurt a lot less.

[Pondering Her Percy]

Harris saves $11 million. Reiff saves $8.8. If we cut Elflein and traded Reiff, that saves $10.9 million. So yes, we should be able to sign Williams either way.

IMO that is too much cost. Reiff, a third round pick and Harris. I guess if we can get a good return on a Harris trade I'm OK with it. It will still depend on how much we need to pay Williams. I don't think we should pay him as if he is still the dominant all pro LT he was. We won't be able to see how much he still has left.

Also, you have someone like Reiff set to make over $13 million this year. Williams is going to be in the $14-$16 million range which I think is definitely warranted regardless of him being banged up here and there. It might honestly be better that he DID sit out for a year because you know he's fully healthy. And BV texted me saying Williams has kept in shape, still working hard, etc.

[Bowhunting Viking]

My coworker told me today that his brother said Williams texted him last night "Damn bro 2 diff teams been showing me more love and concern than I have got at The Park , ( he said the players nickname for the facility) for quite a while. Been a crazy , long few days, but think we r getting close to getting it done and getting outta there.
Now.. the bright spot of the message, even though he did say now tell Proff to not get too excited and pissed at me if it doesnt happen, but William's did say that " If things downfall into place I will protection Cuz again". That translating into one Kirl Cousins!!!
I will just keep on keeping u guys updated. Remeber I'm just going what I am getting, but at least its straight from the player to a good friend and teammate so it isn't some BS heresay.
Hey, maybe I should start charging you guys for a little extra income
Nah, I would never do that. We are all Vikings brothers here. I just hope that it dies happen, that we are still able to keep Harris in the possible deal, and I can let u guys know before it hits the mainstream. That would be pretty cool.

[VikingsVictorious]

IMO that is too much cost. Reiff, a third round pick and Harris. I guess if we can get a good return on a Harris trade I'm OK with it. It will still depend on how much we need to pay Williams. I don't think we should pay him as if he is still the dominant all pro LT he was. We won't be able to see how much he still has left.

Noooo I do NOT want to trade both. I think you misread that, no big deal. No I dont want to trade Harris at all. I'm saying that if we traded Harris alone for Williams, it saves us $11 million. If we trade Reiff and a pick for Williams it saves us $8.8 plus we can cut Elflein and have a total savings of $10.9 million. So my point is, no matter what player we traded (Reiff OR Harris), it saves us the same amount pretty much given they would cut Elflein after a Reiff trade.

In turn, would we rather:

trade Harris and keep Reiff at guard and maybe keep Elflein or let him go

OR

trade Reiff, cut Elflein, throw a mid round pick in and keep Harris.

I think it's a no brainer. Keep Harris, get Reiff the heck out of here. Sure, trading Reiff and possibly being forced to cut Elflein creates a "hole" at guard given Elflein being gone but 1.) Elflein isnt a good starter anyways and 2.) having Williams at left tackle would drastically help a young left guard. Much more than someone like Reiff would.

In a deal for Williams Reiff absolutely has to no question about it be included. We can't afford to be paying both.

[VikingsVictorious]

IMO that is too much cost. Reiff, a third round pick and Harris. I guess if we can get a good return on a Harris trade I'm OK with it. It will still depend on how much we need to pay Williams. I don't think we should pay him as if he is still the dominant all pro LT he was. We won't be able to see how much he still has left.

Also, you have someone like Reiff set to make over $13 million this year. Williams is going to be in the $14-$16 million range which I think is definitely warranted regardless of him being banged up here and there. It might honestly be better that he DID sit out for a year because you know he's fully healthy. And BV texted me saying Williams has kept in shape, still working hard, etc.

I think he's looking for $18 million or more. If he came in at $14 and in great shape that would be a steal. I could live with $16 million if Reiff is gone, but that will be tricky to afford.