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mosscarter wrote:we should care who is carrying the offense because at some point we'll need to be balanced.

It'd be nice to be more balanced but if the Vikings are going to be off balance, I'd much rather it be in the running game. It complements the defense much better.

if peterson has an off game, like he did in green bay, then what? we get smoked because we don't have a passing attack whatsoever.

So the Vikings lost to GB because of their passing attack?

in the past 15 years how many top ranked defenses have won superbowls aside from seattle and baltimore?

Past 15 years including SEA and BAL? Five. If you look at top 5 defenses in past 15 years that won the SB, Eight. Top 5 offenses that won the SB in the past 15 years? Four.

the point is our defense is great; peterson has always been great, and unless we get a passing attack i simply see an early round exit presuming we make the playoffs. you can't beat teams consistently by throwing for under 200 freaking yards each week. russel wilson threw for 5 touchdowns yesterday and teddy has 8 all season. if that isn't alarming i don't know what is.

There are other ways to be successful. Recent history has shown this.

and there you have it.....the difference between "good enough" and actually aspiring to win a Super Bowl. You cant just enjoy some wins and say, its better then I hoped for. You have to constantly work for the pinnacle. We arent going anywhere with this OL. Teddy MUST do far better then what he has shown.....its gotta happen.

Mothman wrote: Well said!

Agree 100%

And if Peterson doesn't drop that Pass Teddy has a TD and 15 more yards and no one is talking about this because Teddy produced 2 TDS in a Defensive dominating performance.

I want more out of the passing offense too. But for the amount of in game chances they are giving their 2nd year QB and the amount of in game chances we have had up till now he is producing to a certain degree and he is CREATING chances, now more than before. I think it was a great thing that interception in the endzone, the only thing better would have been a TD because now Teddy gets to watch himself on the film make the mistake. not just visualize it or watch someone else. He did it, he gets to learn from it. Now we get to see how quick a learner is he. Does he throw another one against Seattle or does he thread the needle and score a TD.


As for the needing of balance I guess I am with some of the other folks here. When AP runs for 150 yards it takes away the chances for the passing game to produce, in the best way possible. And Yeah Teddy has struggled some, he has also shown that he can produce in the 5 and 2 minute drills and anyone who says otherwise is cherry picking their examples to prove their personal belief.

IrishViking wrote:And if Peterson doesn't drop that Pass Teddy has a TD and 15 more yards and no one is talking about this because Teddy produced 2 TDS in a Defensive dominating performance.

You mean Peterson produced 2 TDs in a Defensive dominating performance.

There was no excuse for that drop and Peterson clearly knew it. You could tell by his reaction. It was similar to mine!

I want more out of the passing offense too. But for the amount of in game chances they are giving their 2nd year QB and the amount of in game chances we have had up till now he is producing to a certain degree and he is CREATING chances, now more than before. I think it was a great thing that interception in the endzone, the only thing better would have been a TD because now Teddy gets to watch himself on the film make the mistake. not just visualize it or watch someone else. He did it, he gets to learn from it. Now we get to see how quick a learner is he. Does he throw another one against Seattle or does he thread the needle and score a TD.

As for the needing of balance I guess I am with some of the other folks here. When AP runs for 150 yards it takes away the chances for the passing game to produce, in the best way possible. And Yeah Teddy has struggled some, he has also shown that he can produce in the 5 and 2 minute drills and anyone who says otherwise is cherry picking their examples to prove their personal belief.

The same could be said for those who make comments like "he produces when they need him to produce"'. They're true... except in all the games where that didn't happen.

The truth is he's coming along very slowly and it's pretty obvious. I'm not sure he's even made any real measurable progress since last year, although the team has and that's important. Bridgewater is a game manager right now, a caretaker. He's doing a decent job in that role and who knows, maybe this approach will be enough to win it all but by NFL starting QB standards, he's mediocre at best. Sooner or later, he's going to have to produce at a higher level or he won't continue to hang onto the starting job in years to come. For now, it's his and I hope they can keep winning.

The best scenario for this team would be to have whatever playoff position we will be in locked up by week 17, and Green Bay has everything to play for. Then, they can let Teddy loose and tell him to take chances and win the game... that way, if it does lose, we are still in the playoffs, and we aren't any worse off (other than Teddy's confidence may be shaky).

"As long as Teddy continues to be miscast as a game manager, he'll look like nothing more than a game manager. "



Good norv discussion guys.

mondry wrote:"As long as Teddy continues to be miscast as a game manager, he'll look like nothing more than a game manager. "

Good norv discussion guys.

You've been around here long enough to know the drill: if you want to see the discussion get back on track, make a post to steer it that way, don't just complain about it. Contribute. Nobody's here purely to entertain you.

Ryan Boser
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Norv was DAL OC 91-93. Zim was a DAL defensive coach 94-06. Check these parallels between 1995 SB Champs & 2015 MIN.

aikman had 35% more TDs........and HE had a real OL if memory serves........so I am not sure what to make of this. Aikman could also chuck the rock with some velocity.

chicagopurple wrote:aikman had 35% more TDs........and HE had a real OL if memory serves........so I am not sure what to make of this. Aikman could also chuck the rock with some velocity.

I believe it is a comparison between the QB, RB, and defense between the Vikings and the SB winning Cowboys. Where did you get 35%?

808vikingsfan wrote:Ryan Boser
‏@Ryan_Boser
Norv was DAL OC 91-93. Zim was a DAL defensive coach 94-06. Check these parallels between 1995 SB Champs & 2015 MIN.

lol, Teddy pretty comparable to a hall of famer who had a hall of fame WR and one of the best O-line's of all time with an O-line and WR corp's that won't even have a single probowl player among them....

mondry wrote:

Start carving his bust in Canton...

It's an interesting comparison but the comparisons between the two QBs and teams start to break down when you look a little more closely. Assuming the projections hold up for Bridgewater, that 4.5 TD difference doesn't look like much but it amounts to 31.5 points (assuming 7 per TD) which could easily be the difference between winning or losing several games.

Aikman was sacked 14 times in1995. Bridgewater's already been sacked 30 times this season.

The Cowboys offense was far more productive when it came to scoring. Aikman threw for 16 TDs that year and as a team, they had 18 TD passes (throw in another 14 points) but they also scored 29 rushing TDs. The Vikes are on pace for 17 (now add another 84 points).

Put simply, the 1995 Cowboys were 3rd in the league in scoring, averaging 27.2 points per game and their defense was also 3rd in scoring, allowing an average of 18.2 points per game.

In contrast, the 2015 Vikings are 23rd in the league in scoring, averaging 21 points per game in an era with more scoring. They have the edge in defensive points allowed though, giving up an average of 17.6 per game.

It's a nice thought and I'd love it if this season ended with a Super Bowl championship for the Vikings. If it did, the stats wouldn't matter at all. I don't think the Vikes are the 2015 equivalent of the '95 Cowboys though.

the one thing that nobody seems to be talking about is the fact that (at least as i see it) teddy is losing his confidence. he doesn't look like a confident quarterback at all. in fact, he looked much more confident his rookie season. once you lose that confidence as a qb i'm not sure you get it back (aka david carr). he was sacked so much early on that he lost his confidence.

mosscarter wrote:the one thing that nobody seems to be talking about is the fact that (at least as i see it) teddy is losing his confidence. he doesn't look like a confident quarterback at all. in fact, he looked much more confident his rookie season. once you lose that confidence as a qb i'm not sure you get it back (aka david carr). he was sacked so much early on that he lost his confidence.

I'm sure you can get it back, but I don't blame him if he is having confidence issues. I don't think Brett Favre would be successful with this OL.