"Spielman Owning the Draft Once Again" Mock Offseason

[Pondering Her Percy]

He even thinks that Murray was a better QB than RGIII in college Not to mention his hatred for midget QB's

[Pondering Her Percy]

Not to mention his hatred for midget QB's

What about his hatred for everything on this earth? .......................except Aaron Murray

[Pondering Her Percy]

This isn't a receiver or corner we need 40 times and shuttles. Go watch film, that's what matters. Real QBs don't rely on being able to run and cut to make plays. Brady tore his ACL and more, boy I'd hate to be him going forward a handful of years ago.

You're going to guarantee Spielman drafting a QB I like is going to result in me being negative about the pick? Give me a break. Unlike you I don't go around hedging my bets on every possible pick at QB. I have no problem if he takes him in the 2nd or 3rd. Unlike Carr, Bortles, and Boyd. Who I wouldn't waste a rookie minimum contract as an undrafted free agent on....

Oh and I've also looked at MANY mock drafts over the past few months and have not seen one that has showed Murray going before the 4th. But they all must be wrong right???

[Texas Vike]

I would love to do that as well but at the same time....look how Washington ended up. We might be forced to give up even more than Washington did. Washington was sitting at #6 when they made the trade. We are at #8. We would have to give up the farm in order to land the #2 pick. I think we're better off staying patient.

I really don't think QB's will fly off the boards like everyone thinks. Analysts have recently said that they don't think Bortles will go until the early 2nd, Bridgewater won't be the first pick, Manziel could fall further than many think, etc. This is coming from Polian and McShay as well who are pretty reliable sources. Poilian was a 6 time GM of the year. He just continues to say that none of these QB's "WOW" him. Their current top 5 on their big boards are: Clowney, Barr, Matthews, Watkins, and Mack. I truly believe that the QB that we want might just fall right on our lap.

I hope you're right and Manziel falls due to a combination of far from ideal size and questions about his character. I'd love him in the late first. Shoot, I'd be pleased as pie if we were to get him at 8.

Good OP. I appreciate the time you took to make it. Don't be bothered by the few curmudgeons on the board. They aren't worth the energy: casting pearls before swine …

I like Nix, though I haven't watched him much. I guess I like the idea of finally replacing Pat Williams and having a solid anchor in the middle. On the other hand, I'm a bit more fond of landing an elite LB that can do it all. I think defending the pass is more important than defending the run and see LB as a more important position w/ covering TEs, check downs and short slants. With a new defensive scheme a guy like Barr who can disrupt the passer and defend WRs would be huge.


Edit to add quote on Mack, this might be the guy we need:

Buffalo outside linebacker Khalil Mack is the most sure thing in the 2014 NFL Draft, NFL media analyst Daniel Jeremiah said Thursday on "The Dan Patrick Show."

"Mack is a stud," Jeremiah said. "He is a big-time guy. He can rush the passer, he can cover, he can do everything."

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap200000 ... -nfl-draft

I personally think Bridewater and Manziel will go top 10 and then there won't be another QB taken until late in the first. There are a lot of 2nd or 3rd round prospects this year IMO. It's early… things will change, but this is how I currently see it.

A player I like in the 2nd is TCU's Jason Verrett (CB), if he's there.


Here's a interesting read on top 32 picks and how one writer perceives each team's needs. I don't agree w/ his take on the Vikes (We need LB and Secondary help IMO), but it's still a worthwhile read: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap200000 ... l-32-teams

[S197]

manziel making it to 28, what planet are you on?

Guys will rise and fall a lot between now and the draft. It happened to Aaron Rodgers, Barkley, Geno Smith, etc. Even a guy like Floyd. Was there a single person on this forum that thought he'd fall as far as he did? You just never know, I think Manziel is far from a top 10 lock.

[Pondering Her Percy]

Guys will rise and fall a lot between now and the draft. It happened to Aaron Rodgers, Barkley, Geno Smith, etc. Even a guy like Floyd. Was there a single person on this forum that thought he'd fall as far as he did? You just never know, I think Manziel is far from a top 10 lock.

Exactly. This is what I've been saying as well.

[Demi]

Wouldn't waste rookie minimum on those guys huh?? That just shows how clueless you are about the QBs in this class. There are GMs and scouts out there that love Carr, Bortles, and/or Boyd but wait....you know more than them right?? Maybe you should go be a GM or scout. Just don't become one for the Vikings. Go destroy someone else's franchise with your clueless logic.

Spielman is already doing a good enough job destroying this one. He doesn't need any help. Especially when it comes to the QB position.

There was a GM that loved Christian Ponder. Who was projected as a 2nd or 3rd round pick in "mocks" at the time.

Oh and I've also looked at MANY mock drafts over the past few months and have not seen one that has showed Murray going before the 4th. But they all must be wrong right???

Exactly. This is what I've been saying as well.

Ok, so it goes one way when it supports your position, but doesn't go the other way when it doesn't. Players can fall when you project them to fall, but can't rise if you don't think they will.

Maybe you should be a scout or GM in the NFL, just stay away from the Vikings, we already have someone pretending to be a NFL General Manager.

[Pondering Her Percy]

[:roll: Ok, so it goes one way when it supports your position, but doesn't go the other way when it doesn't. Players can fall when you project them to fall, but can't rise if you don't think they will.

Maybe you should be a scout or GM in the NFL, just stay away from the Vikings, we already have someone pretending to be a NFL General Manager.

Your Spielman blows are the most tiring to read I swear. Do you realize that you don't need to take a shot at him every time you post to get us to realize you don't like him?? Personally, I don't think any of us really care much of what you think anymore. It's just tiring to read more than anything.

As for Murray, you're talking about a 4-6 round projected pick to all of the sudden becoming a 2nd rounder??? And for what reason would he ever rise at this point?? He has a torn ACL and can't participate in the combine nor the Senior Bowl. But you think he will somehow rise?? Many players rise because of what scouts and coaches see at the combine and such. Also, guys that have serious injuries like an ACL don't miraculously rise all of the sudden, especially when he might not even be ready for training camp. But yeah....taking him in the 2nd isn't a reach/risky play. Good joke man

[Pondering Her Percy]

There was a GM that loved Christian Ponder. Who was projected as a 2nd or 3rd round pick in "mocks" at the time.

....coming from the guy that "loves" Aaron Murray who is a projected 4-6 round pick. Oh and have I mentioned he might not even be ready for training camp?? It sounds like you know a whole lot more than Spielman

[Demi]

As for Murray, you're talking about a 4-6 round projected pick to all of the sudden becoming a 2nd rounder??? And for what reason would he ever rise at this point?? He has a torn ACL and can't participate in the combine nor the Senior Bowl. But you think he will somehow rise?? Many players rise because of what scouts and coaches see at the combine and such. Also, guys that have serious injuries like an ACL don't miraculously rise all of the sudden, especially when he might not even be ready for training camp. But yeah....taking him in the 2nd isn't a reach/risky play. Good joke man

What is this "rise" crap? Do you have the phone number of some NFL GMs? Do you have pictures of a finished NFL draft board? Just because some mock draft "experts" are putting players somewhere, guys who've never turned in a pick, doesn't mean that's where teams have them valued at. You have zero idea who's placed where on ANY teams board. Your mock draft experts at this time last year had Geno Smith going #1 overall, Ryan Nassib was flying up boards, and Matt Barkley was a top 10 pick. How'd that work out? Guess they just "fell" huh? Couldn't be that they were never actually rated that high at any point by the people actually making the picks?

As far as not being ready for training camp, everything I could find says 9 months is the long end of recovery, which would still have him ready for training camp. And more likely to be ready before that. Watch him play, that's what matters. 40 times, throwing to receivers in perfect conditions. That's the kind of garbage that gets guys picked earlier than they should be for reasons that have nothing to do with how they project as an NFL quarterback.

But a much better idea to waste a pick on guys like Bortles, Carr, or Boyd, who don't even have the skill set to be NFL back ups. Guess we'll see in a few years when it all shakes out...

[Pondering Her Percy]

What is this "rise" crap? Do you have the phone number of some NFL GMs? Do you have pictures of a finished NFL draft board? Just because some mock draft "experts" are putting players somewhere, guys who've never turned in a pick, doesn't mean that's where teams have them valued at. You have zero idea who's placed where on ANY teams board. Your mock draft experts at this time last year had Geno Smith going #1 overall, Ryan Nassib was flying up boards, and Matt Barkley was a top 10 pick. How'd that work out? Guess they just "fell" huh? Couldn't be that they were never actually rated that high at any point by the people actually making the picks?

As far as not being ready for training camp, everything I could find says 9 months is the long end of recovery, which would still have him ready for training camp. And more likely to be ready before that. Watch him play, that's what matters. 40 times, throwing to receivers in perfect conditions. That's the kind of garbage that gets guys picked earlier than they should be for reasons that have nothing to do with how they project as an NFL quarterback.

But a much better idea to waste a pick on guys like Bortles, Carr, or Boyd, who don't even have the skill set to be NFL back ups. Guess we'll see in a few years when it all shakes out...

Ohhh boy.....it's not "some" mock experts but literally everything that is out there right now says that he is projected to go in the 4th or later. What part don't you understand??? A big reason for that is the uncertainty of his injury and how he will recover. Even before his injury, he wasn't THAT sought after of a quarterback. You complain about Spielman reaching for Ponder but you think it's a good idea to reach on a QB that hasn't even recovered from an ACL injury and has been in the middle of the pack regardless?? He is a HUGE question mark right now. Hence, why I highly HIGHLY doubt he will be drafted in the 2nd like you claim. Don't you find it odd that there is nobody else out there saying this other than YOU??? I don't know what makes you so confident in this matter other than your big-shot ego and that you just want to disagree with everybody. I'm just going with the majority on this matter which is 99.9%.....you being the 0.01%. That's how one sided that is.

But either way....moving back to my mock offseason would be nice. Especially since Murray has nothing to do with my draft.

[Pondering Her Percy]

Demi....we could always go along with what nightowl said to PurpleKoolAid and issue out a challenge. Actually, I think that's a great idea!!!! Let's see what YOU would do since you think you know so much about this and tear apart Spielman in every post. Come on pal.....you are now the Vikings GM and have full control over who the coaches will be, who is re-signed and let go, who we sign in FA, and who we draft. As you can see PK backed out of that challenge real quick. Are you going to be the next to back out??? I mean you love to criticize my opinion along with everyone else's 99% of the time and always think you're right. So go ahead Demi....let's see how much you reallyyyyy "know" about being a GM. I mean you say Spielman is so bad at it so you must know the correct way right?? The floor is yours kid......"enlighten" us

[PurpleKoolaid]

Demi....we could always go along with what nightowl said to PurpleKoolAid and issue out a challenge. Actually, I think that's a great idea!!!! Let's see what YOU would do since you think you know so much about this and tear apart Spielman in every post. Come on pal.....you are now the Vikings GM and have full control over who the coaches will be, who is re-signed and let go, who we sign in FA, and who we draft. As you can see PK backed out of that challenge real quick. Are you going to be the next to back out??? I mean you love to criticize my opinion along with everyone else's 99% of the time and always think you're right. So go ahead Demi....let's see how much you reallyyyyy "know" about being a GM. I mean you say Spielman is so bad at it so you must know the correct way right?? The floor is yours kid......"enlighten" us

LOL you crack me up. You cant even defend the title to your own thread, and yet want anyone that questions your hero worship to lay out how they would have handled Rickies job. Look at our roster. Its not all Fraizers fault.

[Pondering Her Percy]

LOL you crack me up. You cant even defend the title to your own thread, and yet want anyone that questions your hero worship to lay out how they would have handled Rickies job. Look at our roster. Its not all Fraizers fault.

You're still hung up on the title of a thread??? You must be joking. You're worried about me "defending my title" however, you have yet to "defend" anything you have posted in this thread. Obviously, you haven't gone back to the Spielman and Frazier threads and read my reasoning behind supporting Spielman and not supporting Frazier. My guess is....you have no clue about anyone in this draft past the first round hence why you haven't posted how you would do it. I have backed up my point in other threads.....you haven't backed up a thing in this thread. Show us your offseason. Let's see how much you really know instead of worrying about a thread title. If you don't like how I am doing it, then lets see how you do it. If you know so much, then man up to the challenge

Oh and this was the mock I posted on here last year at this time that I forgot about. The mock I posted on my other forum was the one where I had Rhodes and Hodges. Now this mock below was well before the combine and before guys started to rise and fall. Granted....I was clearly wrong on certain things but did get a good amount correct as well. I'm not sitting here saying I know exactly what's going to happen because I don't but I do stand by my mocks. As I said, I follow the draft and offseason very very close because this is how teams are built.

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[mosscarter]

there is a real chance manziel goes #1. 28th? at least get serious on some level.