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Re: The 53
Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2013 1:30 pm
by Eli
Packers, Bears and Lions.
The Vikings are near-sighted when it comes to free agents. I suppose it beats having to pay scouts who actually know the NFL.
Re: The 53
Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2013 1:37 pm
by dead_poet
Eli wrote:Packers, Bears and Lions.
The Vikings are near-sighted when it comes to free agents. I suppose it beats having to pay scouts who actually know the NFL.
OR they found a player they knew about that was one of the better ones available at a position lacking depth. Signed for cheap. How is this near-sighted? Beat guys are fine with it.
How many guys signed at this stage of the game ever really make an impact? Generally if a team has to rely on a guy signed now, they're going to be struggling at the position.
Re: The 53
Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2013 1:38 pm
by Mothman
The Breeze wrote:Bernard Berryman, Aromadoo, now Webb.
Obviously he wasn't earning starters money in Chi-town....so they didn't have the option to use him as a sub. I think they had other issues with him that went beyond performance.
Maybe, a change of scenery will help....but I'm dubious that this move makes us better.
I am too, to say the least. Here's a good take on Webb from Michael C. Wright, who covers the Bears here in Chicago:
http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/bears/p ... ys-goodbye
Webb just doesn't seem to have the motivation and mentality for the game. Maybe the Vikes think Frazier and o-line coach Jeff Davidson can finally get him to play consistently.

Re: The 53
Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2013 1:41 pm
by dead_poet
Troy Kropog cut by #Vikings, league source says.
Re: The 53
Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2013 1:56 pm
by The Breeze
Mothman wrote:
I am too, to say the least. Here's a good take on Webb from Michael C. Wright, who covers the Bears here in Chicago:
http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/bears/p ... ys-goodbye
Webb just doesn't seem to have the motivation and mentality for the game. Maybe the Vikes think Frazier and o-line coach Jeff Davidson can finally get him to play consistently.

That's what I'd heard. Motivation in the NFL is a tough one....especially the big dudes. McKinnie is a prime example. Once they cash some of those checks it can be a difference maker.
I would think that it makes more sense to spend time on a guy with a high motor than a guy who has proven to be sluggish....regardless of the talent they've shown. A good coaching staff has a real possibilty of improving techniques and performance.....but it is another thing to coach motivation, teaching a guy to care.
Like DP said, it's hard to imagine him being that much of an impact unless we get hit hard by injuries....but I would tthink that a younger guy would have more legit developmental upside.
Re: The 53
Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2013 2:42 pm
by Texas Vike
Mothman wrote:
I am too, to say the least. Here's a good take on Webb from Michael C. Wright, who covers the Bears here in Chicago:
http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/bears/p ... ys-goodbye
Webb just doesn't seem to have the motivation and mentality for the game. Maybe the Vikes think Frazier and o-line coach Jeff Davidson can finally get him to play consistently.

Well written piece. Thanks for the link.
Found the closing to be interesting:
Make no mistake: Webb, 25, still possesses immense physical skills, gifts that are more than sufficient for him to be an NFL starter for years to come.
But it’s all of little consequence if nobody can coax them out consistently. The Bears finally realized this, and acted accordingly.
Re: The 53
Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2013 3:16 pm
by Mothman
Texas Vike wrote:Well written piece. Thanks for the link.
Found the closing to be interesting:
It sums up his situation nicely. Webb drove Mike Tice nuts and I consider Tice a good motivator and o-line coach. If he couldn't get more out of Webb, I'm not optimistic.
Re: The 53
Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2013 3:45 pm
by TheCoolerOne
http://www.dailynorseman.com/2013/9/1/4 ... gn-jmarcus
Practice Squad:
RB Joe Banyard
G Travis Bond
DT Everett Dawkins
TE Chase Ford
T Kevin Murphy
WR Rodney Smith
WR Adam Thielen
One spot left, correct?
Re: The 53
Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2013 3:53 pm
by Mothman
Correct. I wonder who will get it?
Re: The 53
Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2013 3:57 pm
by Eli
I saw on another site the claim that Bobby Felder and D'Aundre Reed were waived/injured. Anyone know anything about that?
Re: The 53
Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2013 3:59 pm
by PurpleMustReign
Mothman wrote:
Correct. I wonder who will get it?
Randy Moss?

Re: The 53
Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2013 4:02 pm
by Eli
80 PurplePride 84 wrote:
Webb started for the Bears though. He won't see the field for the Vikings unless God forbid something happens to Kalil or Loadholt and if something did happen to them we're screwed anyway. It doesn't matter if its Webb, Kropog or Kevin Murphy replacing them. They all suck.
I still contend that there's a good chance that if either starting tackle goes down, the Vikings' plan would be to move Charlie Johnson to OT and plug in Jeff Baca or Joe Berger at guard. Try to find the lesser of those two evils - Charlie Johnson or J'Marcus Webb.
Re: The 53
Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2013 4:04 pm
by Mothman
Eli wrote:Packers, Bears and Lions.
The Vikings are near-sighted when it comes to free agents. I suppose it beats having to pay scouts who actually know the NFL.
Actually, that comments sounds a bit near-sighted.
Felton played in Detroit but had stops in Carolina and Indianapolis before becoming a Viking.
Berger played for Miami and Dallas.
Carlson played for Seattle.
Simpson played for Cincinnati.
Cassel played for Kansas City and New England.
C. Johnson played for Indianapolis.
George Johnson played for Tampa Bay.
Evans started his career in Miami before coming to the Vikes.
Mitchell played in New Orleans and Miami.
Jefferson played in Arizona.
In other words, most of the free agents on the roster didn't play in the NFC North. Jennings, Felton and Webb were with other teams in the division. Am I forgetting somebody?
Re: The 53
Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2013 4:06 pm
by The Breeze
^^^That would be more like the evil of two lessors~
Re: The 53
Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2013 4:06 pm
by Eli
80 PurplePride 84 wrote:I didn't hear that but it makes sense, because you would think one or both of them would be on the Practice Squad unless they got claimed by another team. By waiving/injured them you can stash them on IR for next year without using PS spots.
If they were waived/injured then I think the final spot goes to either Kropog once he clears waivers (if he's even eligible), someone from another team or McCloud or Eubanks.
Is the waiver process any different, or is it still 24 hours? If the Vikings had wanted to place either one on IR, why couldn't they have just placed them on IR, like they did with Seth Olsen?