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mosscarter wrote:jec i wouldn't worry about ponder going 10 for 10, much less 20 for 20 for that matter. if he did go 10 for 10 it would be for about 30 yards total.

And only if his receivers broke a tackle or two on his 1-2 yard throws.

mosscarter wrote:jec i wouldn't worry about ponder going 10 for 10, much less 20 for 20 for that matter. if he did go 10 for 10 it would be for about 30 yards total.

808vikingsfan wrote:some context

6 INT's in OTAs so far. Blitz drills or not, shouldn't we be a little concerned?

At this stage of the season the defense is usually ahead of the offense, especially when there are a lot of new faces at skill positions. Hopefully he's still working out the timing with Jennings, Patterson, et al

I think if this becomes a trend then there will be cause for concern.

Eli wrote:A thread about how they paint goal posts would be more interesting than the 500th Christian Ponder discussion this offseason. Seriously. What HASN'T been said yet?

*raises hand* I have something! My Grandma thinks Ponder is handsome, and I think she has a little crush on him. Is that something new?

JEC334 wrote:Seriously guys. Is this not a Vikings message board? Isn't this where you discuss about Vikings football, players, and etc? Isn't Christian Ponder apart of the Vikings? Sue me for making another Ponder thread. I wasn't aware that we exceeded our amount of opportunities to create threads discussing Christian Ponder. And please call the cops on the person who put the gun to your head and force you to read this thread.

This is funny.

I will sue you for making another Ponder thread, but not because it's about Ponder...it's because you actually gave Ponder some love. Are you sick, James? Everything alright down there?!?! I'm worried.

MelanieMFunk wrote: *raises hand* I have something! My Grandma thinks Ponder is handsome, and I think she has a little crush on him. Is that something new?



This is funny.

I will sue you for making another Ponder thread, but not because it's about Ponder...it's because you actually gave Ponder some love. Are you sick, James? Everything alright down there?!?! I'm worried.

I know Ive been a little tough on Ponder since he arrived but I show him a little love now because he has potential. His arm strength is fine. He has shown that he can make throws when he really needs to. He has also improved moderately but surely each season. I just think he didn't have much confidence with the weapons around him.

This season we will see a different Ponder. I still dont expect him to start bombing 50+ passes downfield right away because we are not that kind of team right now. We left those plays alone back in the CulPepper and Moss era. But with the new WRs we do have, I think they work well with the West Coast offense. Ponder may take a shot every now and then but with the tools we have, I dont think the pressure is on him to shoot the ball downfield every down.

And another thing I realize is that this fan base is too impatient. Especially with the QB position. Whenever we draft someone we expect them to be a star right away. Some guys like Ponder will take time. He's an average QB when it comes to learning and most QBs dont reach their prime until they get into their 30s. We will have to be patient and continue to build around. No one can really say if Ponder is the reason we lose games. There's not a game where he really just blew it. But ofcourse whenever a team loses, they go back to the stat sheets of the QB and find some way to put him at fault. In Ponder's case it's not getting enough passing yards. But this upcoming season will show us alot about Ponder and the rest of the team.

he single handedly lost the game in green bay. you could also put the blame on him for 3 total games passing for under 100 yards.

mosscarter wrote:he single handedly lost the game in green bay. you could also put the blame on him for 3 total games passing for under 100 yards.

You do realize they won 2 of those 3 games, right? You have to look beyond the yardage totals once in a while and actually examine the games.

The idea that Ponder single-handledly lost that GB game still doesn't hold water. Did he have a bad game? You bet, it was probably his worst and the INTs were inexcusable but as in a few other losses, there were significant issues elsewhere. For example, the 11 minute scoring drive the defense allowed in the 4th quarter... that about inexcusable.

We get it. You don't like Ponder but as James pointed out, some patience is in order. Let's see what he brings to the table this season.

don't get me wrong mothman i hope he does turn it around, but to me the only thing he has been consistent at is inconsistency.

JEC334 wrote:He's an average QB when it comes to learning and most QBs dont reach their prime until they get into their 30s. We will have to be patient and continue to build around.

Just to play a little devil's advocate here, one of the big strengths about Ponder was that he was supposed to be the most "pro ready" in the draft class. I think that combined with some of the recent quick successes from other rookie QB's is why you see some impatience. I don't disagree with your notion that a QB needs time to develop, just trying to give you another perspective.

mosscarter wrote:don't get me wrong mothman i hope he does turn it around, but to me the only thing he has been consistent at is inconsistency.

I can't argue with that. He has definitely been inconsistent but honestly, I expect that from a young QB and the rare exception is just that: a rare exception.

Mothman wrote: I can't argue with that. He has definitely been inconsistent but honestly, I expect that from a young QB and the rare exception is just that: a rare exception.

I thunk some see the success of Joe Fkacco and expect that from every rookie QB. People forget that Peyton Manning had a 3-13 record his first season. No i am not saying Ponder will be that good but to say he won't make it isnt necessarily fair.

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PurpleMustReign wrote: I thunk some see the success of Joe Fkacco and expect that from every rookie QB.

And Dalton, Newton, Luck, RG3, Wilson, Kaepernick...

S197 wrote:And Dalton, Newton, Luck, RG3, Wilson, Kaepernick...

It's about situations, talent and perspective. Newton and Luck were both the first picks in the draft and Luck was viewed as a once-in-a-decade prospect. Ponder's not in that class but let's not forget that he's also had success. Ponder was the QB of a 10 win playoff team last season and he was instrumental in some key wins over big-time opponents.

Boon wrote:Gotta admit dude, If we even get FG's out of those two red zone picks thats a different game. Adrian eviscerated them. So yeah you can make a case that Ponder boneheaded that one down the pipes by himself

I disagree. Football doesn't work that way. I know I've posted that many times before but it's true. Ponder's mistakes were very costly, no doubt, but it's a team game, won and lost by teams. That's always the case, no exceptions. I think Ponder has to shoulder a great deal of the blame for the loss but he wasn't solely responsible for it.

It was one loss anyway so there's no reason to make too much of it. QBs have bad games and they throw interceptions. There are no exceptions to that either.

80 PurplePride 84 wrote: Kaeoernick didn't play as a rookie.

... and he landed on one of the 2 or 3 most talented teams in football.

Newton, Luck and RG3 are simply more talented players than Ponder, which is why two of them were chosen as the first pick in the draft and the other was chosen second.