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Boon wrote:Its eerily similar to the 2012 playoff game at lambeau where webb and peterson just flat out punched them in the throat running read option like they were playing against a pop warner team, and inexplicably stopped, yeah, reminds me of that.


Tired of getting stuck with these clown OC's. Bring back billick lol

Second that motion........Billick was awesome.

Mothman wrote:
TSonn, this quote pertains to the discussion we had yesterday:

Thanks! That actually makes me feel better.

TSonn wrote:Thanks! That actually makes me feel better.

remember, the coaches see Teddy in practice. We just see TV time. I think they are far more aware of his limitations then we are. They KNOW he cant hit those deep routes in stride. They have had a long time to watch him and train him and they don't call those routes with ANY regularity. It makes the whole teams jobs harder to not have a downfield gameplan so its NOT something they would willingly eliminate. If Zim thought it was a realistic option, he wouldnt let Norv just refuse to use it. The option simply isnt there.

Mothman wrote:Vikings' Mike Zimmer: Teddy Bridgewater 'needs to play better'
TSonn, this quote pertains to the discussion we had yesterday:

Pretty much a similar set-up from earlier in the season by Zimmer. It is true though. Teddy can't throw for under 100 yards in the playoffs. It simply will not let this team advance.

Teddy just seemed anxious and nervous against Green Bay. Very uncharacteristic of his game.

TSonn wrote: Thanks! That actually makes me feel better.

It certainly is encouraging but I can't help but remember a certain other guy who was the practice king but couldn't put it together in a game...

I still think Norv needs to do a better job of getting Teddy warmed up and in a rhythm before trying those kinds of plays. Wasn't the deep shot to Mckinnon literally his first pass of the game? Surely he gets more than 19 throws in practice to get dialed in as well.

The more I look back on that play I do think it's extremely smart play design to get Mckinnon out wide and in space against that super slow LB of the packers, of course he torched him and got open but I can't help but have that feeling that it was the "wrong time" like sometimes is the case with norv (last play of arizona game, great design, wrong game situation) but who knows.

Here were all the passes from our first drive

1-10-MIN 31 (13:40) (Shotgun) 5-T.Bridgewater pass incomplete deep right to 31-J.McKinnon.
3-11-MIN 30 (12:50) (Shotgun) 5-T.Bridgewater pass short middle to 31-J.McKinnon to MIN 38 for 8 yards (48-J.Thomas).
2-10-GB 21 (11:00) 5-T.Bridgewater pass incomplete deep right to 83-M.Pruitt.
3-10-GB 21 (10:54) (Shotgun) 5-T.Bridgewater pass incomplete deep right to 17-J.Wright.

So one short middle throw that's surely an easy completion on 3rd and 11 and the rest are deep sideline shots. No Rhythm, confidence builders, etc just jumping right in to the deep throws. I really believe a QB has to "get it going" first. In basketball when a shooter's having an off night they talk about getting to the free throw line just so they can "see the ball go through the hoop" on something easy, it's some kind of mental thing, seems like there'd be enough similarities in what QB's have to do where that would make sense here too. Don't just chuck long three's that aren't going in, get some easier shots first.

Rodgers played pretty poorly early on as well when they were focusing on getting Lacy going so I think it's just one of those things where I'd rather see us do some high percentage quick throws earlier on and then the deep shot in like the 2nd quarter after you get going a bit.

This is absurd. I don't care how it's defined because it's defined the same for every team.

@PFF No QB has been pressured more this season than Teddy Bridgewater, who has felt heat on 46.7% of his dropbacks.

dead_poet wrote:This is absurd. I don't care how it's defined because it's defined the same for every team.

Yeesh. That definitely warrants a pause in overall assessment of Teddy's progress/regress/performances when he's feeling pressure every other snap from every which way.

dead_poet wrote:This is absurd. I don't care how it's defined because it's defined the same for every team.

Yeah, it's a big problem and it's bad enough so that even on plays the protection is "good enough" Teddy has no idea of when that will actually occur so he has to treat every play like it's going to be a complete fail. It's no surprise that with Norv's long developing routes and run the ball / throw deep offense it would lead to inconsistent QB play with this protection.

We saw how much of a difference the short passing game made against ARI / CHI so hopefully that's the focus against SEA who has the best pass rush out of all the teams we'll face.

You have to wonder that if we get bounced badly this game and our offense lays another egg it will be enough for Zimmer to get a different Coordinator?

I love the work that Norv has done on a QB level with Teddy (we all know scott dont do crap )


But his play calling is frustrating as sin sometimes.

IrishViking wrote:You have to wonder that if we get bounced badly this game and our offense lays another egg it will be enough for Zimmer to get a different Coordinator?

No

both the OC and our QB have the Ultimate Excuse for not performing...our crappy OL....its impossible to judge either of them very clearly untill we have a real OL.....we are just spinning our wheels till then.

From Patrick Reusse:

Bridgewater's second season: Good, bad and then ugly on Sunday night

T.E. Bridgewater II was not as inept at quarterback as Wynn, Jackson and Webb in the Vikings’ 20-13 victory on Sunday night in Lambeau Field.

But he was close.

Two Gloves Teddy went 10 for 18 right-handed for 99 yards, and 0 for 1 with an interception left-handed, for an overall rating of 45.7.

Even with the victory and the NFC North title, this was disturbing for Vikings loyalists, who are desperate to have everyone buy into the idea that Bridgewater is on the way to being an exceptional quarterback.

Most of the people with whom I was interacting on Twitter and elsewhere were not able to accept the idea their guy Teddy was terrible on this night and to move on.

They were looking for excuses, as has been the case during and after the half-dozen clunkers that Bridgewater has offered up in his second season.

It was popular to blame offensive coordinator Norv Turner for not calling the plays “that had worked’’ for Bridgewater in the previous three weeks. And, as always, it was popular to blame the offensive line for not giving Bridgewater those four or five seconds that in some games it takes him to make up his mind when Option A is covered.

This young man is limited. Most weeks, the TV analysts have gone out of their way to praise Bridgewater and to offer excuses when necessary. They also have started to point out the low delivery point in his throwing motion. With a better motion, the lack of arm strength that’s mentioned with Bridgewater could be less of an issue.

If I was one of you folks with an emotional investment in the Vikings, what would drive me nuts about Two Gloves Teddy is the number of times that he starts back-tracking to his right with only one idea:

To throw the ball past the yard marker and avoid a sack.

Lordy, yes... that's practically become TB's signature play.

I think the column is right on point. Most will probably disagree...

Mothman wrote:From Patrick Reusse:


It was popular to blame offensive coordinator Norv Turner for not calling the plays “that had worked’’ for Bridgewater in the previous three weeks. And, as always, it was popular to blame the offensive line for not giving Bridgewater those four or five seconds that in some games it takes him to make up his mind when Option A is covered.

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That's my favorite part because it's something I learned about in school and how to recognize when someone makes an emotional appeal point. Here you see him giving token mention to the issue raised that Norv called a poor game. Then he makes a straw man argument relating to an absurd request of the Oline that no one makes. Thus rallying those who believe in his opinion while immediately moving the discussion away from the game plan of Norv but still being able to say he brought it up in his article.

Truly a masterful write up by someone who needed a fluffer piece for his word count.


Reusse aside. I agree, he played like balls and it looked like the first really time that GUMP cracked. It was concerning. To me though, at this point you need to stop trying to force things and go with what works. Teddy throws better out of shotgun? He should be in shotgun for all plays Peterson isn't on the field. Teddy is struggling with the long ball but doing relatively well with rhythm intermediate? Do that. Sell out to what works for him and if he still fails. Then address that. The playoffs should never ever be used as a "teachable" moment. Teddy has things he does well. Use them to the utmost.

Mothman wrote:From Patrick Reusse:

Bridgewater's second season: Good, bad and then ugly on Sunday night
Lordy, yes... that's practically become TB's signature play.

I think the column is right on point. Most will probably disagree...

I understand the criticism and he makes some legitimate points but he lost me here:

When you see a big-time quarterback, such as Russell Wilson or Aaron Rodgers (before the last 60 percent of this season), rolling away from pressure, they are looking to make a play and throw it away when all options are expired. Bridgewater just wants to get rid of it and avoid the sack too often for my taste.

Come on, Reusse. Teddy is doing the exact same thing Russell Wilson or Aaron Rodgers is doing in that situation. We can argue/compare his receiving options to those QBs and his ability to "pull the trigger." That's fair. Are they more or less "open" when he does roll to his right and throw it away? Is he throwing it away "sooner" than them? Those things. But to state that he "just wants to get rid of it and avoid the sack" is simply untrue.