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TSonn wrote: I think we were watching different games today. Teddy looked nothing like Alex Smith today. Teddy was throwing tons of intermediate passes and even a couple back shoulder passes. He was stopped moreso from conservative play calling in the second half and a few drops rather than his own wrong-doings. Smith barely attempted a pass longer than 7 yards today.

I agree that Teddy shouldn't have thrown that first INT but other than that, I think Teddy played a really solid game.

You're right I think we did watch different games because I have no clue where you're coming up with your stats. Smith still threw for 282 which was more than Teddy so his passes must have been a lot longer than 7 yards. He was averaging 12.8 per reception. A deep ball to Maclin, a few to Kelce. I don't understand how anyone can say Teddy played well. That's just simply being a homer. Both INTs were terrible throws. He can hit Ellison on a 2 yard pass on a key third down. He actually had more time than usual back there and he didn't take advantage of it. He couldn't take advantage of a terrible KC pass defense that was stacking the box against AP. He's thrown 3 TDs and 4 INTs in 5 games. That's just not very good at all. I'm not sure how anyone can say he MORE than a game manager when he's putting up those numbers

If it was Christian Ponder under center and he put up the same stats, you wouldn't be saying "he played a really solid game".

808vikingsfan wrote: The overthrown bootleg on 3rd and two. Even the 2nd int was a poor throw. He made some plays too like the 3rd and long to Diggs but I saw too many missed opportunities to call his performance solid.

Exactly. That's what I don't understand. It's simply Vikings fans being homers. It was an average to below average performance. End of story

Well total offense per game the Vikings is 31th that is pretty bad.
http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats? ... 447263-n=1

808vikingsfan wrote: The overthrown bootleg on 3rd and two. Even the 2nd int was a poor throw. He made some plays too like the 3rd and long to Diggs but I saw too many missed opportunities to call his performance solid.

Maybe I've got some purple tinted glasses on but...
The pass on 3rd was high because Houston was in his face. The options seemed to be either try a high throw with a chance or get the ball batted and potentially intercepted.
The 2nd INT looked like it was either to far in front of Wallace or that Wallace gave up on the throw. It really looked like Wallace stopped running for it and was really surprised when Peters was right in front of him.

Remember at half when we had 170 yards passing and KC had 2? After that Norv changed the game plan and Teddy was handcuffed. Sure he missed the 3rd and 2 with Houston in his face but he converted on 3rd and 15 for a 30 yard gain, too.

Now Wallace gave up on the route? Your shades are definitely on. This is what I mean by fans giving every excuse in the book to defend Teddy. It was a terrible throw. Period. Nobody gave up on the route, it wasn't Norvs fault, it wasn't the lines fault, it was Teddy's fault. Simple as that.

Pondering Her Percy wrote:Now Wallace gave up on the route? Your shades are definitely on. This is what I mean by fans giving every excuse in the book to defend Teddy. It was a terrible throw. Period. Nobody gave up on the route, it wasn't Norvs fault, it wasn't the lines fault, it was Teddy's fault. Simple as that.

Let's wait for a good replay. CBS didn't really give us much to work with except for the TV angle. Teddy has a habit of erring on the side of throwing too wide on the routes towards the sidelines so our guys are the only ones who can grab it. It may have been a bit wide. Wallace definitely didn't put a lot of effort into it. It just comes down to if it was catchable or not.

TSonn wrote: Let's wait for a good replay. CBS didn't really give us much to work with except for the TV angle. Teddy has a habit of erring on the side of throwing too wide on the routes towards the sidelines so our guys are the only ones who can grab it. It may have been a bit wide. Wallace definitely didn't put a lot of effort into it. It just comes down to if it was catchable or not.

May have been a bit wide? It was very wide. He also didn't see Peters sitting there and threw it right at him. I'm not sure why you're even debating this. That throw nearly cost us the game and simply wasn't a smart decision

S197 wrote:People tired of moral victories so we get an actual victory. Still mad.

Who is mad?

The announcers also made a mention that it was just a great play by Peters and that Teddy made a good read on the throw because it was the 1v1 coverage. You can say "simple as that" and "end of story" but that does nothing.

I guess we should just agree that we are both happy our team won the game and I kinda liked our QB today and you kinda didn't.

Edit: Just went back and watched the TV replay. Not a great throw. Definitely wide. Wallace also didn't attempt to catch it. Would like an endzone angle to see how off it was. Announcers said "That was just a great play so you can't fault Bridgewater for going to the WR he thought was going to beat man to man coverage." I'm definitely a homer but I think there's enough there to believe it wasn't a terrible throw.

my question is are we being forced to come to the realization that teddy's just an average qb? i mean, maybe its time for all of us to face this fact. as someone noted, three td's in 5 games isn't even average-its actually well below average. i've been waiting for him to have something like 275 yds passing and 3 td day; but something tells me i'm going to be waiting longer than i expected.

mosscarter wrote:my question is are we being forced to come to the realization that teddy's just an average qb? i mean, maybe its time for all of us to face this fact. as someone noted, three td's in 5 games isn't even average-its actually well below average. i've been waiting for him to have something like 275 yds passing and 3 td day; but something tells me i'm going to be waiting longer than i expected.

Wait a year or two before writing off Teddy as average. He is still very young.

mosscarter wrote:my question is are we being forced to come to the realization that teddy's just an average qb? i mean, maybe its time for all of us to face this fact. as someone noted, three td's in 5 games isn't even average-its actually well below average. i've been waiting for him to have something like 275 yds passing and 3 td day; but something tells me i'm going to be waiting longer than i expected.

I don't think he's average. He showed a lot vs DEN but he did have an average game today.

mosscarter wrote:my question is are we being forced to come to the realization that teddy's just an average qb? i mean, maybe its time for all of us to face this fact. as someone noted, three td's in 5 games isn't even average-its actually well below average. i've been waiting for him to have something like 275 yds passing and 3 td day; but something tells me i'm going to be waiting longer than i expected.

Here's what it so funny to me about the Teddy analysis: I watched the game today with Packers and Lions fans (I'm from WI and currently live in MI) and they all walked away from our game saying Teddy is the future of NFL QBs. Then I come back on here and see doom and gloom about him all over the place.

Let's remember that in the first half today he was shredding the Chiefs with something like 11/18 and 176 yards. Obviously the second half was different. Maybe it was all Teddy. Maybe it was all Norv. Maybe it was all the Chiefs changing strategies at half and confusing both Teddy and Norv. But for the first half, Teddy was looking a lot like franchise Teddy and a lot of other posters were noticing the same thing on here. The second half is stuck most recently in our minds but let's just remember that Teddy was killing it in the first half and still made some clutch throws in the second.

Knowing all that, I think the second half was more game planning and coaching rather than Teddy being subpar but I am definitely a homer and maybe it's just me wanting him to be great.

Since when is Average bad? Mistake free average QB play and a stout defense can and has won dozens of superbowls. I hate when people throw average around like its an insult "He looked about as good as the best 32 quarterbacks in the world when mixed and divided out"

Also despite pedestrian numbers he is extending the heck out of drives on a regular basis. Yes he is making mistakes but I have seen QBs learn to not throw into bad coverage situations. I have seen far far fewer learn to handle must convert 3rd downs with poise. Its mind bogging to me for people to cherry pick 5-6 suspect passes and shrug off every other completions as "Expected" or "its the minimum" no it isnt! Thats why QBs get drafted every year. That's why they make the most money of any position, because a good number of QB (even some currently playing) wouldn't be able or expected to make some of those throws teddy made today. This is the first time in a long time I see us line up in a 3rd down passing situation and me not assume we wont make it. Teddy is converting quite a few of them. Today even, Teddy converted 2 third downs past the sticks and on one he threw short hoping for YAC and immediately everyone bemoaned the fact he wont throw past the sticks.

We wont ever ever have Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, Peak Drew Brees, etc. And they are not needed to win superbowls.