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headless_norseman wrote:
Talk aout failed rationale and knowledge of history

care to elaborate instead of just insulting

saint33 wrote: care to elaborate instead of just insulting

Nooffense, you just knew nothing of his known history, with QB's and winning along the way.

headless_norseman wrote:
Nooffense, you just knew nothing of his known history, with QB's and winning along the way.

again, care to elaborate?

When I look at his resume, I see a coach who had little success with developing QBs until he came to Stanford, which also happens to coincide with his working with Jim Harbaugh. Harbaugh has been well documented as a QB "guru".

So unless you have some information about his previous jobs and how he developed QBs for those teams, my question remains. How much can we attribute the success of Andrew Luck, Alex Smith and Colin Kaepernick to Greg Roman, when all 3 of those players are highly talented and also have a head coach known for his success with QBs?

saint33 wrote:When I look at his resume, I see a coach who had little success with developing QBs until he came to Stanford, which also happens to coincide with his working with Jim Harbaugh. Harbaugh has been well documented as a QB "guru".

So unless you have some information about his previous jobs and how he developed QBs for those teams, my question remains. How much can we attribute the success of Andrew Luck, Alex Smith and Colin Kaepernick to Greg Roman, when all 3 of those players are highly talented and also have a head coach known for his success with QBs?

There's no way for us to know the answer to that question. What we know is Carr had his best season as a pro when Roman was working with him. Luck was obviously terrific at Stanford. The 49ers QBs have been good with Roman as their OC too. Maybe Harbaugh had a lot to do with the Luck, Smith and Kaepernick and maybe not but if Harbaugh did have a lot to do with the success those QBs had, it seems reasonable to think some what he did to help those players might inform what Roman himself does going forward. I would hope that Roman picked up some useful knowledge along the way.

It seems the other 49ers-related interview the Vikes conducted has been lost in the shuffle. It was also reported that they were going to interview 49ers DL coach Jim Tomsula yesterday. I don't know if the interview actually took place or not but he's an interesting candidate. His only NFL experience has been with the 49ers as defensive line coach (and interim coach for one game after Singletary was fired). He was a coordinator in NFLE and was head coach of the Rhein Fire during that league's final season so he has head coaching experience at a lower tier level of football. Tomsula is reportedly an up-and-comer, a coach whose players love him and who has obviously been very successful as a position coach. He's supposedly highly respected by his peers. I wonder if he's a dark horse candidate to get the job.

Just Me wrote: I liked him as a QB but that was because we were down 20-0 at the start of the 4th Q in (93? I think) when his interception led to the comeback where the Vikings beat the bears 21-20. (Ditka almost had convulsions - It was great!)

Todd Scott!!!!!!

That was a great game, especially because I had 3 roomates who were Bears fans!!!!!!!

Mothman wrote: There's no way for us to know the answer to that question. What we know is Carr had his best season as a pro when Roman was working with him. Luck was obviously terrific at Stanford. The 49ers QBs have been good with Roman as their OC too. Maybe Harbaugh had a lot to do with the Luck, Smith and Kaepernick and maybe not but if Harbaugh did have a lot to do with the success those QBs had, it seems reasonable to think some what he did to help those players might inform what Roman himself does going forward. I would hope that Roman picked up some useful knowledge along the way.

It seems the other 49ers-related interview the Vikes conducted has been lost in the shuffle. It was also reported that they were going to interview 49ers DL coach Jim Tomsula yesterday. I don't know if the interview actually took place or not but he's an interesting candidate. His only NFL experience has been with the 49ers as defensive line coach (and interim coach for one game after Singletary was fired). He was a coordinator in NFLE and was head coach of the Rhein Fire during that league's final season so he has head coaching experience at a lower tier level of football. Tomsula is reportedly an up-and-comer, a coach whose players love him and who has obviously been very successful as a position coach. He's supposedly highly respected by his peers. I wonder if he's a dark horse candidate to get the job.

I know there's no way for us to answer the question, I'm posing it just to provide caution.

Once upon a time the Vikings hired a supposed "QB guru" to be their HC. He had had success with his previous employer developing their starting QB, and even had success with a backup whom had come in. That coach was Brad Childress, and as we know now, Childress wasn't exactly the QB guru he was made out to be. In fact, the success the Eagles' QBs had seems to have been more attributable to the head coach in that situation, as the Eagles (and subsequently the Chiefs) had success with numerous QBs since Childress left, many of which were not successful when they left Reid's tutelage.

I'm not trying to say that Roman isn't the QB guru he's hyped to be, or that he'll have similar success as a head coach as Brad Childress. I'm just saying it's not that farfetched a thought.

Mothman wrote: There's no way for us to know the answer to that question. What we know is Carr had his best season as a pro when Roman was working with him. Luck was obviously terrific at Stanford. The 49ers QBs have been good with Roman as their OC too. Maybe Harbaugh had a lot to do with the Luck, Smith and Kaepernick and maybe not but if Harbaugh did have a lot to do with the success those QBs had, it seems reasonable to think some what he did to help those players might inform what Roman himself does going forward. I would hope that Roman picked up some useful knowledge along the way.

It seems the other 49ers-related interview the Vikes conducted has been lost in the shuffle. It was also reported that they were going to interview 49ers DL coach Jim Tomsula yesterday. I don't know if the interview actually took place or not but he's an interesting candidate. His only NFL experience has been with the 49ers as defensive line coach (and interim coach for one game after Singletary was fired). He was a coordinator in NFLE and was head coach of the Rhein Fire during that league's final season so he has head coaching experience at a lower tier level of football. Tomsula is reportedly an up-and-comer, a coach whose players love him and who has obviously been very successful as a position coach. He's supposedly highly respected by his peers. I wonder if he's a dark horse candidate to get the job.

Interesting about Tomsula. SF's D is an impressive group. You could see the rapport he has w/ his players today when they made a goal line stop of Carolina.

49er fans aren't that high on Roman, from what I've seen. That may be unfair anger for his "inexplicable play calling" in the SB last year or it may be a more substantiated assessment. I don't stay up enough on the 49ers to know.

saint33 wrote: So unless you have some information about his previous jobs and how he developed QBs for those teams, my question remains. How much can we attribute the success of Andrew Luck, Alex Smith and Colin Kaepernick to Greg Roman, when all 3 of those players are highly talented and also have a head coach known for his success with QBs?

Now use your same rationale and and ask the question, how successful were these three QB's before Roman coached them?

Pretty good read on Zimmer (and Vikes):
http://www.dailynorseman.com/2014/1/10/ ... in/5027623

headless_norseman wrote:
Talk aout failed rationale and knowledge of history

What was the point of this post? To troll? Seems like the only possible outcome here would be an argument, thankfully saint33 didn't bite.

PurpleMustReign wrote: What was the point of this post? To troll? Seems like the only possible outcome here would be an argument, thankfully saint33 didn't bite.

No, the point was not trolling.

Look at his answer and in context of Roman's proven history. He either didn't know or just glossed on over it. Hence my reply. No big deal, really.

Once upon a time the Vikings hired a supposed "QB guru" to be their HC.

And it was clear to everyone that Reid was the reason for that success. But Childress still got credit.

Don't forget Musgrave was also suppose to be a QB guru as well...plenty of QB Coach experience. Offensive coordinator. I sure saw the improvement in Ponder!

You need someone with the skill or it doesn't matter who you have. You can't get a twit like Ponder and think any coach in the world is going to be able to fix what's wrong with him. Maybe guys like Harbaugh(?)/Roman and Reid etc don't "develop" as much as they just identify good quarterbacks in the first place.

Chargers lost. Whisenhunt is free to interview. I've seen no indication the Vikings have interest. Too bad.

TEXAS VIKE.....I'm loving the avatar

Pondering Her Percy wrote:TEXAS VIKE.....I'm loving the avatar

Thanks!

I like what I've read. I haven't had the time to be ultra-comprehensive in reading up on candidates, but what I've read on Zimmer sounds good.