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VikingPaul73 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2019 11:15 am I think PHP is right that Kline is a better option than Remmers at RG. I just hope he is just insurance and he’s not overly affecting draft strategy (ie I hope they don’t have him penciled in as a starter with no plans for competition)

StumpHunter wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2019 8:35 am

Pondering Her Percy wrote: ↑Sat Mar 30, 2019 10:31 pm

Sorry but you’re wrong....



Again, you don’t just cut an offensive lineman for one bad year. There was more behind it than that. And it was because he didn’t want to take a pay cut. Remmers wasn’t ever a good guard. Kline was a solid guard for 3 years. Remmers never once showed well at guard, ever. So the two really aren’t comparable. Remmers was cut simply because he was bad and making offensive tackle money play guard. We got Kline for $2 million cheaper, he’s a much better pass blocker than Remmers and is a natural guard and an overall better guard than Remmers. So we landed a true guard for $2 million that was better than Remmers. I’d say that’s a pretty solid move on Spielmans part. Instead of going to pay billy turner $7 million a year. The free agent guard class wasn’t very good but there were some better ones than Kline, however, we’d have to pay a considerable amount more for those guys and probably would’ve lost Barr because of it. I’m completely fine with this signing. He’s better than any guard we had last year and if we assess guard in the draft with someone like Lindstrom, then we’re on our way to having a much improved offensive line

I am not wrong. The Titans are paying 3.5 million for him not to be on the team and had no real options behind him to start at RG. They cut him because he was bad. Really bad.

The same reason we cut Boone after just one season after signing him to a 4 year deal.

Asking a player to take a pay cut down to what the dead cap hit would be means nothing.

That doesn't mean the signing was bad, I just hope they draft some competition for a guy who failed so bad he was cut after just one season into a four year deal.

Pondering Her Percy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2019 4:09 pm

StumpHunter wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2019 8:35 am
I am not wrong. The Titans are paying 3.5 million for him not to be on the team and had no real options behind him to start at RG. They cut him because he was bad. Really bad.

The same reason we cut Boone after just one season after signing him to a 4 year deal.

Asking a player to take a pay cut down to what the dead cap hit would be means nothing.

That doesn't mean the signing was bad, I just hope they draft some competition for a guy who failed so bad he was cut after just one season into a four year deal.

This was his second contract with Tennessee so it’s nowhere comparable to Boone. He was with Tennessee for 2 years before he then got his next contract from him. You’re saying you aren’t wrong but literally any article you pull up says he was cut because he declined to take a pay cut. That was what led to his release. Again he allowed 2 total sacks in 2016 and 2017 combined. 22 pressures both years as well. Last year, yeah he had a down year, but either way, I’m looking at the big picture. He’s a better overall guard than Remmers, by a substantial amount IMO, and durable. And we got him for cheaper than Remmers or half the crap OL that got overpaid in FA. So I’m completely fine with this signing

StumpHunter wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2019 6:34 pm

Pondering Her Percy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2019 4:09 pm

This was his second contract with Tennessee so it’s nowhere comparable to Boone. He was with Tennessee for 2 years before he then got his next contract from him. You’re saying you aren’t wrong but literally any article you pull up says he was cut because he declined to take a pay cut. That was what led to his release. Again he allowed 2 total sacks in 2016 and 2017 combined. 22 pressures both years as well. Last year, yeah he had a down year, but either way, I’m looking at the big picture. He’s a better overall guard than Remmers, by a substantial amount IMO, and durable. And we got him for cheaper than Remmers or half the crap OL that got overpaid in FA. So I’m completely fine with this signing

He was cut because he was really bad. You think he was cut because he was good?

Pondering Her Percy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2019 6:53 pm

StumpHunter wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2019 6:34 pm

He was cut because he was really bad. You think he was cut because he was good?

EVERY article out there and any write up on him says he was cut because he refused a pay cut. You’re trying to argue any and every write up on him saying they are wrong and you are right saying he was cut because he was bad, not the pay cut. Sorry but I’m going to listen to the 20 reports out there. Not a Vikings fan that didn’t know who josh Kline was prior to him signing with us. I never said he was good. I’m saying he’s average. Everson griffen nearly got cut if he refused a pay cut, does that means he’s bad? No. If Kline took the pay cut, he’d still be on the Titans roster. Period. He’s an average lineman that’s a solid pass blocker. He’s better than Remmers and he’s better than some guards out there that were grossly overpaid. And we got him on the cheap. I’ll take it

StumpHunter wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2019 7:33 pm

Pondering Her Percy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2019 6:53 pm

EVERY article out there and any write up on him says he was cut because he refused a pay cut. You’re trying to argue any and every write up on him saying they are wrong and you are right saying he was cut because he was bad, not the pay cut. Sorry but I’m going to listen to the 20 reports out there. Not a Vikings fan that didn’t know who josh Kline was prior to him signing with us. I never said he was good. I’m saying he’s average. Everson griffen nearly got cut if he refused a pay cut, does that means he’s bad? No. If Kline took the pay cut, he’d still be on the Titans roster. Period. He’s an average lineman that’s a solid pass blocker. He’s better than Remmers and he’s better than some guards out there that were grossly overpaid. And we got him on the cheap. I’ll take it

Just because the Titans offered him a big pay cut before cutting him, doesn't mean he wasn't cut because he was really bad. He has a 3.5 million dead cap hit this season, meaning the Titans could have offered him 3.5 million to remain on the team and compete for a roster spot, and it would have essentially cost them nothing.

Griffen was asked to take a pay cut because the team overpaid at QB and had no cap, he had an off year last season and he was making a large amount of unguaranteed money. Boone, I mean, Kline was asked to take a pay cut despite the Titans having 30 million in cap. His being cut saved the Titans 3.25 million, and cost them 3.5. Try to spin it all you want, they thought he sucked, and so they cut him.

Pondering Her Percy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2019 7:35 pm

StumpHunter wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2019 7:33 pm

Just because the Titans offered him a big pay cut before cutting him, doesn't mean he wasn't cut because he was really bad. He has a 3.5 million dead cap hit this season, meaning the Titans could have offered him 3.5 million to remain on the team and compete for a roster spot, and it would have essentially cost them nothing.

Griffen was asked to take a pay cut because the team overpaid at QB and had no cap, he had an off year last season and he was making a large amount of unguaranteed money. Boone, I mean, Kline was asked to take a pay cut despite the Titans having 30 million in cap. His being cut saved the Titans 3.25 million, and cost them 3.5. Try to spin it all you want, they thought he sucked, and so they cut him.

Well only you seem to think that. So agree to disagree

StumpHunter wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2019 7:48 pm

Pondering Her Percy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2019 7:35 pm

Well only you seem to think that. So agree to disagree

None of those articles disagree with what I am saying.

Whether he was asked to take a pay cut before being cut or not, at the end of the day, he was cut because he played badly in 2018.

VikingPaul73 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2019 11:15 am I think PHP is right that Kline is a better option than Remmers at RG. I just hope he is just insurance and he’s not overly affecting draft strategy (ie I hope they don’t have him penciled in as a starter with no plans for competition)

I also agree that one bad year isn’t a reason to write a guy off completely. That said S197’s post was enlightening and alarming. I didn’t know that last year the Titans switched to a zone scheme like Kubiak wants to run. Hopefully that’s just a coincidence and we have to trust in Kubiak to see guys who can fit his system. Maybe it just takes time for an OL to learn a new system and he will be better in his second season with a better coach. Although if it’s growing pains in a new system that doesn’t bode well for the rest of our OL this year LOL!! Did anyone follow the Titans much last year??? Did their entire OL suck?? Maybe they just didn’t have the right coach to properly implement a zone scheme??

One more point on Remmers- I agree he was terrible at OG but I still maintain that he was royally screwed by Vikings. Played RT his entire career. Signed by Vikings as a RT. Was a serviceable RT for a year for Vikings . Then forced into a position that he never played. Sucked. Cut.

J. Kapp 11 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2019 12:31 pm

VikingPaul73 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2019 11:15 am I think PHP is right that Kline is a better option than Remmers at RG. I just hope he is just insurance and he’s not overly affecting draft strategy (ie I hope they don’t have him penciled in as a starter with no plans for competition)

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but I'm afraid your hopes are going to be dashed.

The man signed for 3 years, $15.75 million with $7.25 million guaranteed. A team up against the cap doesn't sign a guy to that kind of contract to be a depth player. He's the starting right guard.

Pondering Her Percy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2019 8:38 pm

StumpHunter wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2019 7:48 pm

None of those articles disagree with what I am saying.

Whether he was asked to take a pay cut before being cut or not, at the end of the day, he was cut because he played badly in 2018.

None of them say “he was cut because he played bad”. They all say he was cut because he refused to accept a pay cut. Like I said, agree to disagree. You don’t just cut an offensive lineman one year removed from being one of the best pass blockers in the nfl so there is more to it then “well he just played bad this year so we’re going to let him go”. And it’s the fact that he declined a pay cut

StumpHunter wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2019 9:38 pm

Pondering Her Percy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2019 8:38 pm

None of them say “he was cut because he played bad”. They all say he was cut because he refused to accept a pay cut. Like I said, agree to disagree. You don’t just cut an offensive lineman one year removed from being one of the best pass blockers in the nfl so there is more to it then “well he just played bad this year so we’re going to let him go”. And it’s the fact that he declined a pay cut

It is a fact he declined a pay cut.

It is a fact the Titans only saved 3.25 cutting him.

It is a fact it cost them more dead cap to cut him than what they saved.

It is a fact that even after signing Wake, Humphries and Saffold, the Titans have 31 million in cap.

It is a fact that 1 year after signing a 4 year contract with Kline, the Titans cut him.

It is not within reason to think that he was cut for any reason besides that he was a bad guard in 2018.

I agree that you don't just cut an offensive lineman one year removed from being one of the best pass blockers in the NFL without good reason. 3.25 million when you have a ton of cap isn't a good reason. So either he was just that bad in 2018, or he wasn't "one of the best pass blockers in the nfl" in 2017. I suppose it could be both, in fact, it likely is both.

Bowhunting Viking wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 4:51 am I think the best option here is to just wait till the season starts, see what we do with the O Line, and hope that a change of scenery and a different system will benefit Kline and he will become a very solid player for us, instead of arguing back n forth about his past. Hes a Viking now and hopefully he will fit in and play very well for us. Just a thought