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chicagopurple wrote:unless Spielman pull his head out of his #### and admits that he has virtually NO Ol talent, then drafts and trades like a madman for Ol talent, 2017 will just be another crappy year for Viking Fans.......it couldn't be any clearer.

That's how I feel. We have receiver talent, QB talent, RB talent, TE talent. What we need is an Oline.

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fiestavike wrote:Brad Childress for OC.

Retaining Shurmur as OC might be almost the same thing. I wonder how many Vikes fans realize that.

Mothman wrote: Retaining Shurmur as OC might be almost the same thing. I wonder how many Vikes fans realize that.

I am a simple man: I miss the ole Check-Down Childress and draw plays on 3rd and long.

chicagopurple wrote:unless Spielman pull his head out of his #### and admits that he has virtually NO Ol talent, then drafts and trades like a madman for Ol talent, 2017 will just be another crappy year for Viking Fans.......it couldn't be any clearer.

If he pulls his head out, he needs to look at the team. If he acts stupid and focuses on the offensive line, there's going to be issues at other positions going forward. Drafting and trading like a mad man for offensive line isn't going to make this a competitive team year in and year out. It might make it look better for the next year or two. But after that? Even if a team focuses on the OL with every dollar and pick they have there's no guarantee the offensive line is "done", especially after one offseason.

They need to start with a competent offensive coach. Shurmur and Norv both had more questions than answers in their resumes. With top 3 offensive talent they would both produce. With top 10 Norv likely would, Shurmur? I'd question it. Below that? I don't think either of them would be capable of fielding a productive offense game in and game out.

Mothman wrote: Retaining Shurmur as OC might be almost the same thing. I wonder how many Vikes fans realize that.

I do. But I don't know what other realistic options there are.

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Pondering Her Percy wrote: An absolute no when it comes to Locke. One of those tackles need to be resigned IMO too. I would take Line and Cole back too

I also have a mock offseason partially typed up. Will probably get it on here sometime this week

Agree and I would re-sign Kalil. Smith is a turd. If Munnerlyn/Newman aren't retiring I'd take one back on the cheap, otherwise I'll re-sign Patterson and move on from everyone else on this FA list though Greenway is by most accounts retiring, if not I'd take him back at vet minimum too.

AlldayPotter wrote:I'm interested in who we will look at and sign for our Offensive Coordinator.

Yeah, Bradford's due for a OC change....

PurpleMustReign wrote: I do. But I don't know what other realistic options there are.

I see the connection but agree with PMR about the lack of realistic options.

Not only that, one has to wonder who would make the change. Would Zimmer fire Shurmur at this point? I don't know. Would Ziggy insist Zimmer make the change? I don't know that one either.

Would a winning team with a quality offensive line offer Shurmur an OC job? Umm...no.

losperros wrote: I see the connection but agree with PMR about the lack of realistic options.

I think there are always options among current NFL assistants and in the college coaching ranks. There will also be NFL OCs out of work after this season after teams make head coaching changes. I don't think they are stuck with Shurmur due to a lack of alternatives.

Not only that, one has to wonder who would make the change. Would Zimmer fire Shurmur at this point? I don't know. Would Ziggy insist Zimmer make the change? I don't know that one either.

Now that's obviously a different story and I fully expect the Vikings to take the path of least resistance and offer Shurmur the job.

Would a winning team with a quality offensive line offer Shurmur an OC job? Umm...no.

Mothman wrote:Now that's obviously a different story and I fully expect the Vikings to take the path of least resistance and offer Shurmur the job.

But that's one of the big reasons why I see a lack of options. For Shurmur to leave, he'd practically have to quit. I don't see that happening.

Aside from that, I'm not sure either Zimmer or Ziggy would insist on a change at this point.

losperros wrote:But that's one of the big reasons why I see a lack of options. For Shurmur to leave, he'd practically have to quit. I don't see that happening.

I see. It sounds like we agree that the Vikes will probably just keep Shurmur.

If they do, I sure hope we see significant improvement.

It doesn't really matter who the OC is if he has a huge talent deficit in the O line , he won't have time to have any medium to deep pass routes or push to sustain a running game.

Husker Vike wrote:It doesn't really matter who the OC is if he has a huge talent deficit in the O line , he won't have time to have any medium to deep pass routes or push to sustain a running game.

No doubt. The OL has to improve for any of the skill players to play their best football.

Even so, Shurmur plays a lot of small ball and I'm not convinced he won't stay with it regardless what the blocking is like.

Thing is, I just don't like it as an offensive philosophy. I think that's what Moth is saying as well.

losperros wrote: No doubt. The OL has to improve for any of the skill players to play their best football.

Even so, Shurmur plays a lot of small ball and I'm not convinced he won't stay with it regardless what the blocking is like.

Thing is, I just don't like it as an offensive philosophy. I think that's what Moth is saying as well.

That's exactly what I'm saying.

Mothman wrote:

I want a restructured "fantract" and a signing bonus!

Now that is freaking funny