Vikings Message Board.Com

Pondering Her Percy wrote:Scherff's Presser: http://www.vikings.com/media-vault/vide ... fc651c587d

The first mock I did this year, I had us taking Scherff. Even though its not the "sexy pick", I would be very happy to draft him in the first. He's drawing comparisons to Zack Martin of the Cowboys and scouts are saying he could play anywhere on the offensive line. I really like this kid. Sounds very intelligent, he's an outstanding athlete and gives us great versatility along the offensive line.

Maybe take him first and then let Ricky do his thing, trading back up and getting one of the good receivers. Maybe they will have some more picks, depending on the AD outcome. IN RICK I TRUST

Shaq Thompson (LB/S, Washington)

- A tough evaluation to be sure. Struggles greatly against the run, especially when offensive lineman are able to get to him and get their hands on him. His instincts are pretty good, and he's definitely quite athletic (though he doesn't hold a candle to Anthony Barr). Good feel for zone coverage - I do really think he's a safety. He gets washed out way too much when playing LB and even when he wraps up, he rarely brings his legs and drives through the ball carrier. Watching Thompson on film, the thing I kept noticing - Danny Shelton. What a stud! But really - not interested in Shaq as an LB. He intrigues me as a SS, though. Same height and weight as ... Landon Collins, S, Alabama. I think Zimmer would love Shaq at safety.

Denzel Perryman (LB, Miami)

- Most definitely a very explosive tackler. Very few missed tackles, I'd say he's the most sure tackling player in this draft. Ball carriers are not going much further when he gets a hold of them. Not great speed. Does a fairly nice job scraping through trash and getting to the ball. Below average in pass coverage. He obviously plays with a lot of passion, and seems like a smart football player. His ability in the run game is 1st round quality. Just a bit worried that he won't be a three down LB at the next level.

Michael Bennett (DL, Ohio State)

- He's quite active on the defensive line, lots of power, and good hands. Penetration at times is outstanding, as he has a great feel for the snap count, and jumps it quite often. I look at him as a player who could play end in a 3-4 scheme, but he's a true 3-tech in a Zimmer defense. He's got the makings of a Pro Bowl caliber NFL player, IMO. I just wanted to plug Joey Bosa, who's NOT in the draft, but will be next year (in all likelihood) - he'll be a top ten pick next year.

Tawain Jones (LB, Michigan State)

- In terms of blowing offensive lineman back and getting to the ball carrier, he's very impressive. Definition of a "thumper". I feel like he'd be a pretty nice fit as a 3-4 ILB. Big and strong, but I saw very little from him in pass coverage. He's an effective interior blitzer. Honestly, could make a nice career for himself as a 2 down LB, in the Brandon Spikes mold. From a Viking perspective, he has the same sort of tools Brinkley has, but I feel like he'll be a better version of Brinkley eventually.


Will post thoughts later on:
Eric Kendricks (LB, UCLA)
Shaq Mason (G, Georgia Tech)
Breshad Perriman (WR, Central Florida)
Alvin "Bud" Dupree (LB, Kentucky)

I'm also going to dig a little deeper into McKinney from Mississippi State this week, as well as a few others. Pretty stoked to watch the LB and DL work out this morning. Always my favorite position group.

Pondering Her Percy wrote:Scherff's Presser: http://www.vikings.com/media-vault/vide ... fc651c587d

The first mock I did this year, I had us taking Scherff. Even though its not the "sexy pick", I would be very happy to draft him in the first. He's drawing comparisons to Zack Martin of the Cowboys and scouts are saying he could play anywhere on the offensive line. I really like this kid. Sounds very intelligent, he's an outstanding athlete and gives us great versatility along the offensive line.

At this point, he's the pick, in my mind, unless a greater talent that's just too good to pass up is there. I feel like the WRs would be nice and all, but I believe this class is deep (like last year). Scherff can slide in to the LG spot right away. If Kalil figures his stuff out, then we have a nice group on the offensive line, and eventually Scherff can probably play right tackle after Phil is gone if they decide to go that route.

Then draft Paul Dawson in the second I may have to cobble together a mock offseason one of these days, you've inspired me, PHP haha.

Also, I am interested to see how Damien Wilson from the Gophers works out today. If we can't/don't get Dawson, I like Wilson a lot as a mid round pick. He's a brute.

Mothman wrote:If that's how you guys feel about White, what makes you think he'll be the consensus #1 receiver?

Because that is how the media and scouting community works haha. You are the farthest thing from dumb Jim, and you know that Kevin White's measurables are going to give him a big stock boost. Like I said, personally, I have never been a fan of White. The offensive system he plays in at West Virginia is conducive for big production. The route tree isn't overly complex. It is easy to dominate when you are the first QB read and play more physical than the less experienced and shorter defensive backs in college.


On that note, Vic Beasley just destroyed the Combine. It is funny - for a guy who was supposed to be a top 20 pick LAST year, he hasn't been getting much attention this year. I loved Beasley coming out last year. This year, I feel no different. Beasley, IMO, is a better edge rusher than Dante Fowler Jr. Beasley would be a intriguing add for our defense if we were to trade back in the draft. Or hell, even at pick 11 if that is the way the cards fell.

frosted wrote: At this point, he's the pick, in my mind, unless a greater talent that's just too good to pass up is there. I feel like the WRs would be nice and all, but I believe this class is deep (like last year). Scherff can slide in to the LG spot right away. If Kalil figures his stuff out, then we have a nice group on the offensive line, and eventually Scherff can probably play right tackle after Phil is gone if they decide to go that route.

Then draft Paul Dawson in the second I may have to cobble together a mock offseason one of these days, you've inspired me, PHP haha.

Do it man!! I'd like to see some more guys on here do it. I will warn you, after you do one, you get addicted and your mind changes very quickly in a few weeks.

frosted wrote:Shaq Thompson (LB/S, Washington)

- A tough evaluation to be sure. Struggles greatly against the run, especially when offensive lineman are able to get to him and get their hands on him. His instincts are pretty good, and he's definitely quite athletic (though he doesn't hold a candle to Anthony Barr). Good feel for zone coverage - I do really think he's a safety. He gets washed out way too much when playing LB and even when he wraps up, he rarely brings his legs and drives through the ball carrier. Watching Thompson on film, the thing I kept noticing - Danny Shelton. What a stud! But really - not interested in Shaq as an LB. He intrigues me as a SS, though. Same height and weight as ... Landon Collins, S, Alabama. I think Zimmer would love Shaq at safety.

Denzel Perryman (LB, Miami)

- Most definitely a very explosive tackler. Very few missed tackles, I'd say he's the most sure tackling player in this draft. Ball carriers are not going much further when he gets a hold of them. Not great speed. Does a fairly nice job scraping through trash and getting to the ball. Below average in pass coverage. He obviously plays with a lot of passion, and seems like a smart football player. His ability in the run game is 1st round quality. Just a bit worried that he won't be a three down LB at the next level.

Michael Bennett (DL, Ohio State)

- He's quite active on the defensive line, lots of power, and good hands. Penetration at times is outstanding, as he has a great feel for the snap count, and jumps it quite often. I look at him as a player who could play end in a 3-4 scheme, but he's a true 3-tech in a Zimmer defense. He's got the makings of a Pro Bowl caliber NFL player, IMO. I just wanted to plug Joey Bosa, who's NOT in the draft, but will be next year (in all likelihood) - he'll be a top ten pick next year.

Tawain Jones (LB, Michigan State)

- In terms of blowing offensive lineman back and getting to the ball carrier, he's very impressive. Definition of a "thumper". I feel like he'd be a pretty nice fit as a 3-4 ILB. Big and strong, but I saw very little from him in pass coverage. He's an effective interior blitzer. Honestly, could make a nice career for himself as a 2 down LB, in the Brandon Spikes mold. From a Viking perspective, he has the same sort of tools Brinkley has, but I feel like he'll be a better version of Brinkley eventually.


Will post thoughts later on:
Eric Kendricks (LB, UCLA)
Shaq Mason (G, Georgia Tech)
Breshad Perriman (WR, Central Florida)
Alvin "Bud" Dupree (LB, Kentucky)

I'm also going to dig a little deeper into McKinney from Mississippi State this week, as well as a few others. Pretty stoked to watch the LB and DL work out this morning. Always my favorite position group.

The Vikings have actually met with McKinney at the combine. I'm not sure if you guys check this out at all but Walter Football lists who meets with who on their website. I know this isn't all of the guys the Vikings have met with because Parker has met with them and he is not listed but this gives you a good idea of who we have met with. http://walterfootball.com/ProspectMeetings/ByTeam

It's official ... Vic Beasley is an athletic freak.

6'3" / 246lbs.
Runs a 4.53 (2nd attempt) in the 40
Puts up 35 reps in the bench press
Jumps out of the building with a 41" vertical
Wow, just wow

Beasley is making some serious coin today. Interesting that Mayock thinks Beasley projects as an OLB at the next level and not just as an edge rusher. Barr and Beasley in the nickel? Zimmer would salivate over the blitz possibilities.

I'm surprised Brandon Schreff only did 23 reps in the bench. For a guy who supposedly lives in the weight room, that seems light to me. It's not a bad number and won't have any bearing on his draft slot but I thought he would be in the high 20s - low 30s. Schreff's arms are 33 3/8 so he can't use the long arms excuse. By comparison Erick Flowers put up 37 reps.

Pseudo Everything wrote:It's official ... Vic Beasley is an athletic freak.

6'3" / 246lbs.
Runs a 4.53 (2nd attempt) in the 40
Puts up 35 reps in the bench press
Jumps out of the building with a 41" vertical
Wow, just wow

Beasley is making some serious coin today. Interesting that Mayock thinks Beasley projects as an OLB at the next level and not just as an edge rusher. Barr and Beasley in the nickel? Zimmer would salivate over the blitz possibilities.

I'm surprised Brandon Schreff only did 23 reps in the bench. For a guy who supposedly lives in the weight room, that seems light to me. It's not a bad number and won't have any bearing on his draft slot but I thought he would be in the high 20s - low 30s. Schreff's arms are 33 3/8 so he can't use the long arms excuse. By comparison Erick Flowers put up 37 reps.

How many pounds do they bench press?

PurpleMustReign wrote: How many pounds do they bench press?

225

frosted wrote:Shaq Thompson (LB/S, Washington)

- A tough evaluation to be sure. Struggles greatly against the run, especially when offensive lineman are able to get to him and get their hands on him. His instincts are pretty good, and he's definitely quite athletic (though he doesn't hold a candle to Anthony Barr). Good feel for zone coverage - I do really think he's a safety. He gets washed out way too much when playing LB and even when he wraps up, he rarely brings his legs and drives through the ball carrier. Watching Thompson on film, the thing I kept noticing - Danny Shelton. What a stud! But really - not interested in Shaq as an LB. He intrigues me as a SS, though. Same height and weight as ... Landon Collins, S, Alabama. I think Zimmer would love Shaq at safety.

Denzel Perryman (LB, Miami)

- Most definitely a very explosive tackler. Very few missed tackles, I'd say he's the most sure tackling player in this draft. Ball carriers are not going much further when he gets a hold of them. Not great speed. Does a fairly nice job scraping through trash and getting to the ball. Below average in pass coverage. He obviously plays with a lot of passion, and seems like a smart football player. His ability in the run game is 1st round quality. Just a bit worried that he won't be a three down LB at the next level.

Michael Bennett (DL, Ohio State)

- He's quite active on the defensive line, lots of power, and good hands. Penetration at times is outstanding, as he has a great feel for the snap count, and jumps it quite often. I look at him as a player who could play end in a 3-4 scheme, but he's a true 3-tech in a Zimmer defense. He's got the makings of a Pro Bowl caliber NFL player, IMO. I just wanted to plug Joey Bosa, who's NOT in the draft, but will be next year (in all likelihood) - he'll be a top ten pick next year.

Tawain Jones (LB, Michigan State)

- In terms of blowing offensive lineman back and getting to the ball carrier, he's very impressive. Definition of a "thumper". I feel like he'd be a pretty nice fit as a 3-4 ILB. Big and strong, but I saw very little from him in pass coverage. He's an effective interior blitzer. Honestly, could make a nice career for himself as a 2 down LB, in the Brandon Spikes mold. From a Viking perspective, he has the same sort of tools Brinkley has, but I feel like he'll be a better version of Brinkley eventually.


Will post thoughts later on:
Eric Kendricks (LB, UCLA)
Shaq Mason (G, Georgia Tech)
Breshad Perriman (WR, Central Florida)
Alvin "Bud" Dupree (LB, Kentucky)

I'm also going to dig a little deeper into McKinney from Mississippi State this week, as well as a few others. Pretty stoked to watch the LB and DL work out this morning. Always my favorite position group.

Well at least we know who isn't getting laid this weekend!! Locked in the basement watching college football tape. Keep up the good work. Maybe Rick is reading and will hire you as a consultant.

As long as the Patriots don't draft Ali Marpet. If they draft him and he becomes a starter I will puke at listening to all the media saying how the Pats are such awesome talent evaluators, to get a D3 guy and he is a stud.

Paul Dawson isn't helping himself.

4.95 and 4.96 in the 40 (can't be a 3 down player)
Only 21 reps in the bench
28" vertical (lowest of all LBs)

Personnel departments will have to reconcile his productive game tape versus these disappointing results. Game tape should always win but these numbers are likely to give some teams some concerns.

I'm going to trust my eyes on this one - he IS a three down player, IMO.

The poor showing in testing makes me pause a bit about the work ethic concerns that were brought up previously. That's the only thing that worries me.

Chris Borland, Vontaze Burfict anyone? Check the combine numbers on those guys.

Watch the tape and you'll see what I see on Dawson. Instincts are incredible, plays waaaaay faster than that time.

Hopefully this drops him down boards.

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Pseudo Everything wrote:Paul Dawson isn't helping himself.

4.95 and 4.96 in the 40 (can't be a 3 down player)
Only 21 reps in the bench
28" vertical (lowest of all LBs)

Personnel departments will have to reconcile his productive game tape versus these disappointing results. Game tape should always win but these numbers are likely to give some teams some concerns.

I think the word on the street is that he has minor character concerns too, so combined with his underwhelming numbers at the combine he may drop a bit. I like him and hope we can pick him up in the 2nd.