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Pondering Her Percy wrote: What makes you think Bortles is going to be SOOOO much better then Derek Carr? The one thing Bortles has going for him is his size and athleticism. Throwing wise, I am not impressed with his arm at all, footwork is average to below, and was the king of throwing to his first WR and not going through his progressions.

Also, why trade up for one of those QB's?? None of them are another Andrew Luck. We have gotten desperate before and look where that got us. Do you really want to do that again and give up A LOT of valuable picks? No thanks.

Again? Again?

When have we ever taken a qb in the top 5 picks in the Draft. Ever.

Ponder WAS NOT us taking a top qb prospect high in the Draft. He was a late second rounder we took wayyyy to high. That is NOT the same thing.

Cam newton went that year. Who would you rather have on the team right now?

I hate that people look at the ponder pick as a busted top 10 pick. When we shouldn't have even taken him in the first. Like he wouldn't have been there later or something with his week ####.

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SaintCity86 wrote: When have we ever taken a qb in the top 5 picks in the Draft. Ever.

How many times have the Vikings been that bad to pick in the top 5?

I don't think too many, and I view that as more of a positive, than a missed opportunity so to speak.

Pondering Her Percy wrote: I've seen so many "Viking fans" spell it like that....drives me nuts!!

What's wrong with Tarkington? I loved him. he played on those great teams with Karl Iller and Allan Paige.

Mothman wrote:

What's wrong with Tarkington? I loved him. he played on those great teams with Karl Iller and Allan Paige.

Too bad Gerald Allen didn't play back then.

PurpleMustReign wrote: Too bad Gerald Allen didn't play back then.

SaintCity86 wrote:This team had historically made terrible decision after terrible decision.

It ends with trying to get the most important position does for the next 15 years. Not the next 1 to 2.

You Viking fans and your mind set that the team is 2 to 3 years away from being good, we just Gotta fill these holes and get a game manager behind center, blah blah blah.... It's played out and got us nowhere.

Real teams.... find qbs. Look at the Packers.

And the reason this teams management gets away with it... Cuz the fanbase thinks they're doing what they should be...

Zimmer And turner hires were awesome. Loved Em. But we need a qb. The bengals are a prime example of what having a decent team with no qb gets you.

The vikings will look like the bengals the past 4 years, if we don't get a qb. And fast.

And btw, bortles is the most promising prospect this year. You guys and your espn crap. Watch some tape

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Ok listen....Franchise QB's do not grow on trees. So what would be your genius idea in the 2011 draft??? Trade up for Gabbert?? Locker?? And if you're going to sit there and say we should have traded up for Cam, I am going to tell you that you're out of your mind because going from 12 down to 1 would probably cost us draft picks for the next 2-3 years and the holes on this team would be through the roof.

As for your obsession with RGIII, I would still take Kalil and the trade-down we did any day over trading half of our draft away for him. Also, entering that season, Ponder didn't have a full season as a starter yet and we had to give him that chance. You can't spend a 1st round pick on a QB in 2011 and then trade away half your draft for a QB in 2012. Can you name me a team that has ever done that?? No.

It also drives me nuts when "fans" say that the Vikings didn't lose the games they were "suppose to" in 2011 in order to get Luck. That's crap and will always be crap. The NFL is a job for players and coaches. Coaches aren't going to go in a locker room and say "Hey guys, we want Luck so go out and lose on purpose today". That just doesn't happen, I don't care what anyone says. Do you go into your job everyday and give no effort in hope to get a raise?? No. I really can't stand when people say "Why didn't we lose that game?"


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5wr82ZRUjc
^This is tape of Carr from this past year. Watch it. You can't sit there and tell me Bortles is above and beyond what Carr is. Carr can flat out play, I love the guys attitude, might easily be the hardest working QB in this class, is a leader, has a rocket/monster arm and is VERY good value in the 2nd round or late in the first if we decide to trade up in order to get him. I would take Carr in the 2nd ANY DAY over a trade up for Bortles in the 1st. We can definitely be patient in the 1st, trade down and take defense and then grab our QB in the 2nd. If Carr is gone, I would love to take Garappolo. Bill Polian believes he is a 1st round pick. He would also be great value in the 2nd. If we are able to trade down in the 1st or even stay at 8 and take Mack or Mosely, and then come back in the 2nd with Carr or Garappolo, I would much rather have that. It sounds much more appealing than throwing away valuable picks for a guy like Bortles who, personally, I don't believe will be any better than Carr or Garappolo.

Carr is overrated. Put some pressure in his face and he will fold like a deck of cards.

I've seen so many "Viking fans" spell it like that....drives me nuts!! [/quote]

What's wrong with Tarkington? I loved him. he played on those great teams with Karl Iller and Allan Paige. [/quote]

Not to mention their center Nick Ticklinghoff. Of course Burt Grande was the best coach ever

King James wrote:Carr is overrated. Put some pressure in his face and he will fold like a deck of cards.

So what do you call Bortles' games against average teams like SMU, Memphis, USF, and Houston where he combined for 2 TDs and 3 INTs in 4 games?? That's 4 below average games against below average teams. Carr threw at least 2 TDs a game and had ONE bad game against a team like USC and everyone holds it against him. Neither QB played good competition but Carr was MUCH more impressive throwing the ball IMO than Bortles was.

Pondering Her Percy wrote: So what do you call Bortles' games against average teams like SMU, Memphis, USF, and Houston where he combined for 2 TDs and 3 INTs in 4 games?? That's 4 below average games against below average teams. Carr threw at least 2 TDs a game and had ONE bad game against a team like USC and everyone holds it against him. Neither QB played good competition but Carr was MUCH more impressive throwing the ball IMO than Bortles was.

Bortles is overrated too.

AJ McCarron is who I want us to take with our 2nd round pick. Unlike both of those QBs, McCarron has went up against other top teams in the country and looked great.

King James wrote: Bortles is overrated too.

AJ McCarron is who I want us to take with our 2nd round pick. Unlike both of those QBs, McCarron has went up against other top teams in the country and looked great.

To be honest, I wouldn't mind that either. However, I think we could even wait on McCarron until the 3rd but you never know.

King James wrote: Bortles is overrated too.

AJ McCarron is who I want us to take with our 2nd round pick. Unlike both of those QBs, McCarron has went up against other top teams in the country and looked great.

We know Zimmer is a Parcells guy so you might find this interesting, it's Parcells' four rules when drafting a quarterback:

• The quarterback must be a senior. . .because you need time and maturity to develop into a good professional quarterback
  He must be a graduate. . .because you want somebody that takes their responsibilities seriously.
  He must be a three-year starter. . .because you want to make sure his success wasn't a fluke and to know that he has been "the guy" for a significant period of time.
  He must have 23 wins. . .because big numbers don't mean a whole lot if you don't win.

McCarron fits all four rules.

S197 wrote:
We know Zimmer is a Parcells guy so you might find this interesting, it's Parcells' four rules when drafting a quarterback:
McCarron fits all four rules.

It will be interesting to see if Zimmer follows those guidelines. But that is a nice find and I think McCarron would fit nice in this system. I think McCarron is being overlooked by many fans only because he does not make the flashy plays like Manziel, Bridgewater, Bortles, and Carr.

McCarron might not make all the highlight plays but I've never seen a game where McCarron has cost his team due to stupid mistakes. There has been games where he had a tougher time getting a rhythm going but he usually places the ball in a nice area for his WRs to catch. Now I know the stat junkies will start comparing completion rates but those stats won't tell you how many times those passes were incomplete due to a drop pass. I remember during the Iron Bowl game Amari Cooper dropped an EASY TD pass against Auburn. Those stats also don't tell you how many passes were incomplete due to him just simply throwing it away.

I bet you you all McCarron will be the sleeper QB in this draft. I hope the Vikings take that chance. He doesn't even have to start this year, if we resign Cassel he can learn for a year or two. But when he does get that chance, I believe he will dominate.

S197 wrote: We know Zimmer is a Parcells guy so you might find this interesting, it's Parcells' four rules when drafting a quarterback:
McCarron fits all four rules.

So did Chad Henne when Parcells drafted him in the 2nd round