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Re: Incognito

Posted: Fri Feb 14, 2014 5:40 pm
by headless_norseman
PurpleKoolaid wrote:The more I hear about this guy, the more I want to change my original thought he would be better then Johnson. He might be a better guard, but he isn't a good player. No thanks. I like tough linemen, this guy is beyond hope or change imo. He's just a trouble waiting to happen.

Exactly. Who wants an aging lineman that has been shown the door by every team he's played for?

Then reems a "friend" so bad, he outs his suicidal thoughts on Twitter right before he gets nailed in the independent report?

Re: Incognito

Posted: Fri Feb 14, 2014 7:35 pm
by PurpleMustReign
NextQuestion wrote: rotoworld already speculating he'll be traded to Indy and play for Andrew Luck (old QB in college) or 49ers (Harbaugh was his coach)
Is Martin any good? Would he work here?

Re: Incognito

Posted: Fri Feb 14, 2014 10:27 pm
by HardcoreVikesFan
NextQuestion wrote:I totally want this guy on my team:

http://deadspin.com/the-worst-stuff-fro ... socialflow
But... but... but, that is just NFL locker room culture! All of those things are just boys being boys!


Look, there is definitely a line between joking around and bullying. My friends and I talk 'derogatory' to one another from time to time - but we know where the line is and we are 100% joking when we talk that way. In public, none of us talk the way we talk when we are texting/in a group to other people in society. Call it a generational thing, but most men my age talk, for lack of a better term, '####' to their friends. If no context was ever present, this '####' talking could be totally be blown out of proportion.

I played sports for years. I understand how a locker room works. In the present day, I am around college athletes. Athletes are going to talk to each other a certain way, it is just the way it is. More than likely, it is just '####' talking. I have yet to see an example of pure bullying.

Nevertheless, Jonathan Martin was not subjected to 'locker room horsing around,' he was bullied. It doesn't help matters that Martin is more than likely suffering from a mental disorder (yes, depression is a mental disorder). The easy thing to do is say Martin should have had the skin to tell Richie that he didn't like the way he was being treated. However, it is not easy. In fact, trying to befriend the person who is bullying you is a strategy many people who are bullied try to do. It appears that as time wore on, the bullying progressively got worse for Martin and his mental disorder became increasingly more stagnant as well. It is unfortunate, but it appears that Martin felt trapped. It appears that he felt that he couldn't stand up for himself.

If I may, I want to add the subject of bullying and share a story: I was bullied when I was young. I was 'fat' for years as a child (in fact, I was always 'fat' until I finally had enough and dropped over 50 pounds in 2011). I remember distinctly having few friends until around 4th grade. I remember constantly getting called fatty, and other names while not being fully accepted for years. In particular, this one boy, Dillion, would taunt me and make me do what was known as the 'triple chin' fat dance. I was always too afraid to stand up for myself. Then, one day in 4th grade, I joined Taekwondo. Taekwondo taught me many lessons (lessons I still try to follow to this day) and it taught me how to stand up for myself. I never physically fought my bullies, I used confidence and words. I stood up for myself and refused to let the bullies get the best of me. Eventually, the bullies got tired of trying so hard to get to me and quit.

Eventually, after dealing with my bullies in 4th grade, things started to get much better for me. I was able to turn my 'fatness' into sports capability. I accomplished much as a football player and a Taekwondo student from 5th grade until I graduated high school. It is funny, but eventually those bullies of mine became football teammates. I even beat one of the bullies out for the starting spot at left tackle in 8th grade - he quit football after that. In middle school and high school I was never bullied directly by anyone. However, even though this is terrible of me to say, I think the 'sweetest' thing was seeing one of my bullies two years ago at a gas station. His life has really gotten off track. Not only was he sent to a juvenile school in 9th grade for drugs, he has gained over 60 pounds. He looks awful. It is never my objective in life to wise bad upon anyone, but I would be lying if I said I was not grinning a little upon seeing him a couple of years ago. The better part was that I was with two of my best friends when I saw him. Coincidently, my two friends were also bullied by the same guy in elementary school (unfortunately, we did not know each other well enough in elementary school to bound together to battle the bullying). It was a small bit of justice for all of us that night.

What does my story tell? Well, it shows that dealing with bullying directly can deter bullying. However, I am not so ignorant that I am going to say that Martin is at fault because he cannot deal with his bullying. Not everyone has the ability to deal with their bully head on like I did. The people that cannot need help. They don't deserve to be subjected to their bully and be shamed by society at the same time. I hope that Martin is getting professional help to better help him manage situations in the future. Or at the very least, I hope he will at least know when to seek help should a situation like this occur again.

This whole situation is very unfortunate. I feel even though Martin was telling the truth, he will be black listed in the NFL. I just hope that Martin is getting the help he needs and deserves.

Re: Incognito

Posted: Sat Feb 15, 2014 8:38 am
by Lash Man
I would be shocked if the Vikings even gave this #### a look , I think its pretty likely his career is going to go the way of Kluwes , kinda ironic in a way lol

Re: Incognito

Posted: Sat Feb 15, 2014 9:14 am
by Husker Vike
He has had attitude problems since his days at Nebraska, the guy is toxic,lets find someone in the draft.

Re: Incognito

Posted: Sat Feb 15, 2014 10:32 am
by DanAS
Mercy Percy wrote:What are your guys thoughts about Incognito I think he could be a good fit, we could use a pro bowl guard and I think he would come at not to high of a cost considering all of the distractions.
I have been reading some of the posts in this thread with disbelief.

Are there any limits to how awful a person can be before football fans say "Enough. I don't want him on my team regardless of how good a player he is?"

Ultimately, we don't just want our team to win, we want to enjoy the victory. And at some point, players can be so loathsome as individuals that they could make it hard for us to enjoy a victory. Now I am not saying that this guy is any worse than the convicted dog killer in Philly, or the various punks who have been accused of sexual assaults. But for a combination of reasons, his brand of bullying, racism, and sexism is getting played out in excruciating detail in the public domain to the point where you'd have to be the Queen of Denial to ignore it. Given that, how anyone could even envision welcoming this guy to the Vikes is beyond me. In fact, I cannot even understand guys talking about why we shouldn't take him merely because of things like locker room distractions or bad media coverage. My attitude is, I don't want him because I can't stand the guy. Period.

I'm not putting you guys down who take different attitudes. Believe me, I realize what it is like to want my team to win in the worst, worst way possible. I'm just saying I truly cannot relate to your reaction when it comes to this particular guy. Maybe it's the fact that I am Jewish (who grew up with the sense of being a minority) and have two daughters, but some of the things he has said sicken me. Plus, I just flat out hate bullies. This guy pushes all my buttons.

Re: Incognito

Posted: Sat Feb 15, 2014 12:14 pm
by NextQuestion
You know it is the off season when people are trying to figure out if Richie Incognito is a good fit for your team. :lol: :lol:

Re: Incognito

Posted: Sat Feb 15, 2014 12:31 pm
by PurpleMustReign
VikingsFanInCA wrote: This is the problem with the current NFL and America in general.

You really think everyone is equal. And that life is fair.

PROTIP: They're not. And it's not.

Some people are smarter than others. Some are stronger. Some faster. Some meaner. The fact that people have gotten so soft that they can't deal with it is saddening.

They harassed JM to try and get him angry. To try and get him to perform at an even higher level. They didn't do it for fun. They play in the most competitive, physical team sport in the world today. A guy like Incognito knows there is no room for weakness, and he wants to weed it out, to knock it out of the people he plays with and has to depend on. He's an old school player who is using old school techniques to do this.

I guess the 'softies' who populate America today really don't get it. They can't even comprehend it. Go watch Gran Torino or something. The politically correct circlejerk that is the NFL/American people today will never understand.
Are you Richie Incognito? That is the only way to explain this disgusting slop you keep posting.

Re: Incognito

Posted: Sat Feb 15, 2014 12:36 pm
by KSViking
DanAS wrote: I have been reading some of the posts in this thread with disbelief.

Are there any limits to how awful a person can be before football fans say "Enough. I don't want him on my team regardless of how good a player he is?"

Ultimately, we don't just want our team to win, we want to enjoy the victory. And at some point, players can be so loathsome as individuals that they could make it hard for us to enjoy a victory. Now I am not saying that this guy is any worse than the convicted dog killer in Philly, or the various punks who have been accused of sexual assaults. But for a combination of reasons, his brand of bullying, racism, and sexism is getting played out in excruciating detail in the public domain to the point where you'd have to be the Queen of Denial to ignore it. Given that, how anyone could even envision welcoming this guy to the Vikes is beyond me. In fact, I cannot even understand guys talking about why we shouldn't take him merely because of things like locker room distractions or bad media coverage. My attitude is, I don't want him because I can't stand the guy. Period.

I'm not putting you guys down who take different attitudes. Believe me, I realize what it is like to want my team to win in the worst, worst way possible. I'm just saying I truly cannot relate to your reaction when it comes to this particular guy. Maybe it's the fact that I am Jewish (who grew up with the sense of being a minority) and have two daughters, but some of the things he has said sicken me. Plus, I just flat out hate bullies. This guy pushes all my buttons.
If someone could look into the future and tell me, if you bring Incognito to the Vikings, Superbowl victory is yours. I would have no choice but to bring him on board. However, since those don't exist. Im with you, and I woudln't want him on the Vikings team. You hear in interviews all the time about Locker room behavior, and that NFL is a fraternity, there is some hazing, there is alot of insulting, joking around, saying things that me or you would never say to our co-workers when we go to work on Monday morning. However, some of the details that have come out, and the level in which it was happening in Miami makes me think that he would not be a good representation of our team, or be what our locker room needs to get this team cohesive and on track.

I don't think it has anything to do with me being politically correct, or that this sport has become a bunch of pansies that can't be hit, can't take locker room trash talk, and no room for smash mouth players. I think this is a case where there are lines that are crossed all of the time, and maybe Incognito really felt that he was closer to Martin and that it wasn't going to be taken the way it was. There are people I know that joke about each others mothers, wives, children, sisters ect in ways that would make me want to punch someone, but they are best friends, they know each other, and no matter what is said, they know the integrity and boundaries, so its all just fun. Maybe this was thought to be the case, maybe not. I hope the Vikings stay away, and i think they will.

Re: Incognito

Posted: Sat Feb 15, 2014 12:50 pm
by Mothman
VikingsFanInCA wrote:This is the problem with the current NFL and America in general.

You really think everyone is equal. And that life is fair.

PROTIP: They're not. And it's not.

Some people are smarter than others. Some are stronger. Some faster. Some meaner. The fact that people have gotten so soft that they can't deal with it is saddening.

They harassed JM to try and get him angry. To try and get him to perform at an even higher level. They didn't do it for fun. They play in the most competitive, physical team sport in the world today. A guy like Incognito knows there is no room for weakness, and he wants to weed it out, to knock it out of the people he plays with and has to depend on. He's an old school player who is using old school techniques to do this.

I guess the 'softies' who populate America today really don't get it. They can't even comprehend it. Go watch Gran Torino or something. The politically correct circlejerk that is the NFL/American people today will never understand.
:point: We really should get back to the days where molesting a woman with a golf club or being charged with assault were badges of honor that a man could wear proudly. I can't believe our society has become so politically correct that such behavior isn't celebrated.

Incognito's not some "old school" throwback to what the NFL was and should be... he's a thug who lacks perspective and has justifiably been released from team after team. It's mind-boggling that you could come away from his story with the take you present above, which reads more like satire than something anyone could or should take seriously. In fact, it's so absurd I'm tempted to believe it IS satire.

Re: Incognito

Posted: Sat Feb 15, 2014 1:13 pm
by Funkytown
Mothman wrote: :point: We really should get back to the days where molesting a woman with a golf club or being charged with assault were badges of honor that a man could wear proudly. I can't believe our society has become so politically correct that such behavior isn't celebrated.

Incognito's not some "old school" throwback to what the NFL was and should be... he's a thug who lacks perspective and has justifiably been released from team after team. It's mind-boggling that you could come away from his story with the take you present above, which reads more like satire than something anyone could or should take seriously. In fact, it's so absurd I'm tempted to believe it IS satire.
Oh hush, you big softie. ;)

Re: Incognito

Posted: Sat Feb 15, 2014 2:15 pm
by NextQuestion
I have to imagine the dribble that he wrote was satire.

fwiw - I think Martin would do well in a well respected NFL organization that doesn't make big headlines with internal struggles or would put up with bullying/hazing. I know Dungy had a anti-hazing/bully thing in Indianapolis and mentioned on NBC one night "When I got together with Peyton Manning, we discussed that rookies would be welcome because we've got work to do and we want to win. Why would we alienate a member of our team? We don't have time for that".

SF has riches of depth at OL but I bet Balke and Harbaugh would love Martin in a reserve role. He'd be an immediate starter in Indy

Re: Incognito

Posted: Sat Feb 15, 2014 2:29 pm
by Funkytown
NextQuestion wrote:I have to imagine the dribble that he wrote was satire.

fwiw - I think Martin would do well in a well respected NFL organization that doesn't make big headlines with internal struggles or would put up with bullying/hazing. I know Dungy had a anti-hazing/bully thing in Indianapolis and mentioned on NBC one night "When I got together with Peyton Manning, we discussed that rookies would be welcome because we've got work to do and we want to win. Why would we alienate a member of our team? We don't have time for that".

SF has riches of depth at OL but I bet Balke and Harbaugh would love Martin in a reserve role. He'd be an immediate starter in Indy
Yeah! Ain't nobody got time for that!

Re: Incognito

Posted: Sat Feb 15, 2014 2:35 pm
by Mothman
Funkytown wrote:Yeah! Ain't nobody got time for that!
:lol: Sweet Brown!

Re: Incognito

Posted: Sat Feb 15, 2014 2:37 pm
by NextQuestion
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