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Why don't you all take it to PM? You all keep repeating the same thing and acting like kids who are up past their bedtime.

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PurpleMustReign wrote:Why don't you all take it to PM? You all keep repeating the same thing and acting like kids who are up past their bedtime.

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It'd be even better if the troll on here was banned but that's just me. Same "Spieldope" and "Dumpford" crap that he always posts on here. Pretty childish if you ask me

Pondering Her Percy wrote: It'd be even better if the troll on here was banned but that's just me. Same "Spieldope" and "Dumpford" crap that he always posts on here. Pretty childish if you ask me

Of course you'd love to have opposing viewpoints banned. Especially when they destroy your narrative.

To the other guy a few posts up- FG's would lower the points per drive since 3 is less then 6 or 7.

To me, the only stat that matters is Wins vs Losses. Passing stats are fun but I don't think they mean much. You can score a butt load of points but don't convert that critical 3rd down and lose. You can struggle completing passes but make critical completions on a couple of 3rd and longs to get the team in FG range to win the game.

Bradford is the better passer, no doubt. He throws a pretty ball and can fit his passes into tight windows.But looking through his career so far, he has yet to show he can lead a team. Maybe it's just bad timing. Maybe if he had a better team in 2010, 2011, 2012, 2015, and 2016. Maybe if he didn't get hurt in 2013-2014 or 2017. He's shown flashes but his career is basically a lot of what ifs and maybes.
Hopefully, the stars will align for him in the second half of the season. I'm not holding my breath.

FireSpieldope wrote: Of course you'd love to have opposing viewpoints banned. Especially when they destroy your narrative.

To the other guy a few posts up- FG's would lower the points per drive since 3 is less then 6 or 7.

"Destroy my narrative"? Not even close pal. You're so full of yourself arent you? Ya know whats sad, you think you're so on-point with everything yet not a single person on here agrees with you. That just goes to show you how asinine your outlook is on this whole thing.

And it has nothing to do with opposing viewpoints. Its your insults and arrogance towards others that should get you banned.

Pondering Her Percy wrote: It'd be even better if the troll on here was banned but that's just me. Same "Spieldope" and "Dumpford" crap that he always posts on here. Pretty childish if you ask me

I haven't "foed" him (I just don't do that), but I automatically skip right by and don't read a word he says.

Kind of got past that kind of stuff in Jr. High.

Pondering Her Percy wrote: "Destroy my narrative"? Not even close pal. You're so full of yourself arent you? Ya know whats sad, you think you're so on-point with everything yet not a single person on here agrees with you. That just goes to show you how asinine your outlook is on this whole thing.

And it has nothing to do with opposing viewpoints. Its your insults and arrogance towards others that should get you banned.

It's not called the cold hard truth for no good reason. Take off those purple goggles and you'd agree with me and the other experts that Sam is a broken down marginal QB. Do you honestly think he is a potential Superbowl QB at this point? I'm not sure what your goal is here?

FireSpieldope wrote: It's not called the cold hard truth for no good reason. Take off those purple goggles and you'd agree with me and the other experts that Sam is a broken down marginal QB. Do you honestly think he is a potential Superbowl QB at this point? I'm not sure what your goal is here?

Dude listen to yourself. You just used yourself and "experts" in the same sentence. Yet nobody on here agrees with you. Literally zero people and most think you're nothing but a troll. Which makes me even more ticked that I'm still sitting here giving you the time of day. I fault myself on that one but your statements are so far out of line with you insults and arrogance that I felt like I had to address them. Especially when you went after guys like Kapp

I dont have a clue what experts you're talking about. You think Teddy is a SB caliber QB?? The same QB that has had the 28th and 31st passing offenses in the NFL both years he started?? That single stat alone trumps your argument. And just to go along with your laughable post, Sam and Teddy play for the same team. So the term "purple goggles" has nothing to do with this argument. I like both QBs but think Bradford is better. They are on the same team. Why would I have "purple goggles" for Sam and not Teddy??? Again, you literally have no idea what you're talking about. You arent changing my mind or anyone elses on here so stop trolling and posting the same crap in every thread you can and move on. Literally give it a rest. You arent proving anything to us. Face the fact. Pull out every stat you want, the numbers are the numbers and they are well in Bradfords favor. It's done and over with. You have your opinion and we all have ours. Lets leave it at that.

Pondering Her Percy wrote: Dude listen to yourself. You just used yourself and "experts" in the same sentence. Yet nobody on here agrees with you. Literally zero people and most think you're nothing but a troll. Which makes me even more ticked that I'm still sitting here giving you the time of day. I fault myself on that one but your statements are so far out of line with you insults and arrogance that I felt like I had to address them. Especially when you went after guys like Kapp

I dont have a clue what experts you're talking about. You think Teddy is a SB caliber QB?? The same QB that has had the 28th and 31st passing offenses in the NFL both years he started?? That single stat alone trumps your argument. And just to go along with your laughable post, Sam and Teddy play for the same team. So the term "purple goggles" has nothing to do with this argument. I like both QBs but think Bradford is better. They are on the same team. Why would I have "purple goggles" for Sam and not Teddy??? Again, you literally have no idea what you're talking about. You arent changing my mind or anyone elses on here so stop trolling and posting the same crap in every thread you can and move on. Literally give it a rest. You arent proving anything to us. Face the fact. Pull out every stat you want, the numbers are the numbers and they are well in Bradfords favor. It's done and over with. You have your opinion and we all have ours. Lets leave it at that.

See you're using overall game stats again trying to bash Teddys great performances. You think his 7.2 YPA is an aberration? The Vikings in 2015 had far fewer possessions for and against. You can't use TD's per game or Scoring per game. You need to use PPD to see how the offense and defense really were. We went over this several times yet you still can't figure it out. The Defense was 12th in the NFL and the Offense was 14th. Both slightly above avg.

In 2016 the Offense dropped to 22nd in the league (was 28th before the garbage time in the Bears game BTW!) in PPD. The defense got much better last year leading the team to it's first 5 wins. Eventually they gave in though as the offense continued to be near dead last in scoring. They could only do so much. The fell back to 7th in PPD to finish the year.

Teddy did a remarkable job in 2015. Not many QB's could win 11 games in that situation. Having AP hinders the passing game, not only were they predictable. He couldn't pass block well. So much more then Avg the defense knew it was a pass because when the run failed on 1st and 2nd down all the pressure was on Teddy to pick up the 3rd and 5-10 or whatever. He managed to do a great ob. Remember again, the pass blocking was horrible, part of which of course was due to the predictable play calling and the inability of the RB to pass block.

FireSpieldope wrote: See you're using overall game stats again trying to bash Teddys great performances. You think his 7.2 YPA is an aberration? The Vikings in 2015 had far fewer possessions for and against. You can't use TD's per game or Scoring per game. You need to use PPD to see how the offense and defense really were. We went over this several times yet you still can't figure it out. The Defense was 12th in the NFL and the Offense was 14th. Both slightly above avg.

In 2016 the Offense dropped to 22nd in the league (was 28th before the garbage time in the Bears game BTW!) in PPD. The defense got much better last year leading the team to it's first 5 wins. Eventually they gave in though as the offense continued to be near dead last in scoring. They could only do so much. The fell back to 7th in PPD to finish the year.

Teddy did a remarkable job in 2015. Not many QB's could win 11 games in that situation. Having AP hinders the passing game, not only were they predictable. He couldn't pass block well. So much more then Avg the defense knew it was a pass because when the run failed on 1st and 2nd down all the pressure was on Teddy to pick up the 3rd and 5-10 or whatever. He managed to do a great ob. Remember again, the pass blocking was horrible, part of which of course was due to the predictable play calling and the inability of the RB to pass block.

But again, you refuse to stop arguing. Like I said, you arent changing anyones mind. You're wasting your time and energy at this point trying to prove any more to us. It just isnt working.

Pondering Her Percy wrote:But again, you refuse to stop arguing. Like I said, you arent changing anyones mind. You're wasting your time and energy at this point trying to prove any more to us. It just isnt working.

Who's the pot and who's the kettle?

Pondering Her Percy wrote: But again, you refuse to stop arguing. Like I said, you arent changing anyones mind. You're wasting your time and energy at this point trying to prove any more to us. It just isnt working.

It's not an argument. You don't understand reality so I have to educate you. You keep repeating meaningless stats. If you watched the games in 2015 you'd know Teddy was a great player that season. Heck he went to the Probowl (sure as an alternate, but still went!).

So I suppose all those Probowl voters are fools too?

DK Sweets wrote:Who's the pot and who's the kettle?

Good one

Wow. This is hilarious.

Stay off VMB for ONE DAY, and Spieldope has completely buried himself under his "expert opinions."

A word of advice, Spieldope. Go away. You're not an expert. You're not educating anyone. You're simply ... annoying. Like a 3-year-old who continually pees his pants just because he CAN and it's fun to pi$$ off his parents.

You are now on my foe list. Enjoy kindergarten.

FireSpieldope wrote: It's not an argument. You don't understand reality so I have to educate you. You keep repeating meaningless stats. If you watched the games in 2015 you'd know Teddy was a great player that season. Heck he went to the Probowl (sure as an alternate, but still went!).

So I suppose all those Probowl voters are fools too?

Dude omg. Fans are part of the pro bowl voting dude. The QBs in the pro bowl that year were Carr, Tyrod, Eli, Wilson, Teddy and Winston!!! Who the hell else is going to play in the pro bowl when literally every elite to legit NFL QB was not playing in it. I think next in line was Ryan Fitzpatrick if they didnt choose Teddy. Fricken Tyrod Taylor made it for god sakes. I live near Buffalo and watch them a lot. He's not a good QB. At all.

You're really trying to "educate me" by using pro bowl voting

No less you just said Teddy was a GREAT player that year. He was at best average. He threw 14 TDs in 17 games. Barely threw for over 3000 yards. Quit using the excuse of AP hindering the pass offense. Brett Favre threw 33 touchdowns in '09 and AP went for 1400 and 18 TDs. He didnt hinder the pass offense. We just didnt have good QBs here since he's been around outside of Favre and Teddy was a far, far second. Thats probably the biggest joke of an excuse that I've ever heard. Who hindered Teddy's production in '14?? Since AP wasnt around??? Because he also threw 14 TDs that year along with 12 INTs.

Your excuses are lame man. Trust me, there is a reason not a single person on here agrees with your take. And you cant take the hint. Instead, you're putting yourself in the same sentence as "experts" This argument alone has made me realize your football knowledge is as low as it goes. I have you foed. I'm not reading anymore of your posts. You've wasted enough of my time and energy. I'm mad at myself that I actually put this much time into it. Instead of trying to come on here and "educate" us, maybe you should go try and educate yourself first