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Raptorman wrote:If I remember correctly from a few years ago the NFL average was around 50% YAC for most QB's. So anything around above or below that around 5% was considered ok. Now, of course this was a discussion on a Packer forum so.........Although after looking at the number then, and if you look at the past years on the site it seems about right.

I wasn't really seeing it as an indicator of what was acceptable or not, more or as reflection of offensive strengths and tendencies. I think it reinforces that the Vikings passing game is more effective throwing short and picking up yardage after the catch than throwing down the field. They just don't have much of a deep game. Even their big gains in the passing game are more likely to include a lot of YAC yardage than to be a passes that pick up a lot of yardage through the air.

Anybody with a Scout.com subscription?

Breaking down Teddy Bridgewater's 2015 sacks

http://www.scout.com/nfl/vikings/story/ ... er-s-sacks

dead_poet wrote:Anybody with a Scout.com subscription?

Breaking down Teddy Bridgewater's 2015 sacks

http://www.scout.com/nfl/vikings/story/ ... er-s-sacks

Alas, I don't... so curse you for making me want to read that article!

So to conclude, The mountain of sacks and Hurry up's are spread across our pathetic O-line with Kalil the leader (no surprises there).
However, the worrying thing is that Teddy does have to hold onto the ball longer than necessary. How bad are the Receivers, at getting open? It's not just a one dimensional problem? If Recievers arent getting open, then why arent we sending out flashy more often? he can do exactly the same but with an X-factor.

UKno1VIKING wrote:So to conclude, The mountain of sacks and Hurry up's are spread across our pathetic O-line with Kalil the leader (no surprises there).
However, the worrying thing is that Teddy does have to hold onto the ball longer than necessary. How bad are the Receivers, at getting open? It's not just a one dimensional problem? If Recievers arent getting open, then why arent we sending out flashy more often? he can do exactly the same but with an X-factor.

Are you saying this is what the article linked above concluded?

I just read this article on NFL.com:

Brandt ranks Bortles first among QBs picked in last two drafts

The impetus for the piece seems to be this tweet from Gil Brandt:

Gil Brandt ‏@Gil_Brandt Dec 14
QB classes of 2014-15 could be special. How I'd rank them w/ conviction on Nos. 1 & 5

1 Bortles
2 Mariota
3 Winston
4 Carr
5 Bridgewater

He also tweeted that 2-4 are interchangeable.

From the article:

Brandt said separating the next three quarterbacks over the same span -- Derek Carr, Jameis Winston and Marcus Mariota -- isn't easy, noting that Carr could easily be the No. 2 in the group, and that Mariota is difficult to judge because he needs more help at wide receiver. Winston, meanwhile, is really putting in the time.

There's no more mention of Bridgewater. Ouch.

Mothman wrote:I just read this article on NFL.com:

Brandt ranks Bortles first among QBs picked in last two drafts

The impetus for the piece seems to be this tweet from Gil Brandt:
He also tweeted that 2-4 are interchangeable.

From the article:
There's no more mention of Bridgewater. Ouch.

Oh well.

mondry wrote:Oh well.

That's one take on it.

I find it interesting, especially since Brandt was pretty bullish on Bridgewater at one point.

Mothman wrote: That's one take on it.

I find it interesting, especially since Brandt was pretty bullish on Bridgewater at one point.

lol, sorry for the weak response, I was kind of low on time and when I thought about it that's pretty much what came to my head heh.

But yeah, it's interesting. Like you said these guys couldn't stop gushing over TB at the end of last year and every re-draft pretty much had him going first overall. Now he's the guy you use to finish out a top 5 list when you only have 4 guys you want to talk about.

I could take the time to say how I'd still rather have Teddy then any of them and say "wait till defenses have a full year of tape on mariota / winston, Winston has Evans (and Jackson) who made Manziel look like a first round QB, Carr hasn't looked so great lately, Bortles is on a crap team with zero expectations, garbage time every weak, and very underrated weapons and none of them are on a run first team like teddy with playoffs on the line." But it's just like, what's the point!

People will think what they want to think, I'm content to just let things play out more and see what happens. No sense in trying to guess who's going to be the best 1-1.5 years into guys career's.

mondry wrote:lol, sorry for the weak response, I was kind of low on time and when I thought about it that's pretty much what came to my head heh.

I understand. I was amused!

But yeah, it's interesting. Like you said these guys couldn't stop gushing over TB at the end of last year and every re-draft pretty much had him going first overall. Now he's the guy you use to finish out a top 5 list when you only have 4 guys you want to talk about.

I could take the time to say how I'd still rather have Teddy then any of them and say "wait till defenses have a full year of tape on mariota / winston, Winston has Evans (and Jackson) who made Manziel look like a first round QB, Carr hasn't looked so great lately, Bortles is on a crap team with zero expectations, garbage time every weak, and very underrated weapons and none of them are on a run first team like teddy with playoffs on the line." But it's just like, what's the point!

People will think what they want to think, I'm content to just let things play out more and see what happens. No sense in trying to guess who's going to be the best 1-1.5 years into guys career's.

True, it's going to play out anyway, regardless of all the opinions expressed (here or in the media). It's interesting to see how the narrative evolves in the media though and Bridgewater's had quite a narrative over the last 3 years, from his final college season to the early draft hype, the pro day, the aftermath of that workout, the draft, starting earlier than expected for the Vikes (and with a bang!) to all of the ups and downs since.

Who knows what the story will be a year from now?

Mothman wrote:I just read this article on NFL.com:

Brandt ranks Bortles first among QBs picked in last two drafts

The impetus for the piece seems to be this tweet from Gil Brandt:
He also tweeted that 2-4 are interchangeable.

From the article:
There's no more mention of Bridgewater. Ouch.

And yet TB's team has the best winning record with a very suspect line and very average receivers

Purple bruise wrote:And yet TB's team has the best winning record with a very suspect line and very average receivers

... and they have to deal with a QB that's thrown 4 fewer TDs this season than Russell Wilson has thrown in the last 3 weeks. It's tough times all around!

Bridgewater's not a victim or a bystander in the Vikings offense.

Mothman wrote: ... and they have to deal with a QB that's thrown 4 fewer TDs this season than Russell Wilson has thrown in the last 3 weeks. It's tough times all around!

Bridgewater's not a victim or a bystander in the Vikings offense.

As I have previously stated, the only stat that matters to me is in the win loss column. And as I had stated, TB's won loss record exceeds all the other QB's listed. OBTW what has all of Drew Brees' TD passes accounted for this year and the Saints won loss record?

Purple bruise wrote:As I have previously stated, the only stat that matters to me is in the win loss column. And as I had stated, TB's won loss record exceeds all the other QB's listed. OBTW what has all of Drew Brees' TD passes accounted for this year and the Saints won loss record?

We both know teams win and lose games, not individuals. How do you think Bridgewater would be faring on the Saints, who have allowed more points than any other team this season (and by a considerable margin)?

Mothman wrote: We both know teams win and lose games, not individuals. How do you think Bridgewater would be faring on the Saints, who have allowed more points than any other team this season (and by a considerable margin)?

I really do not care because the point is moot to me. A qb is judged by most everyone by their won loss record. My point was/is simple TB's record is better than all the other QBs in his class.

It seems as if this is just one more "shot" taken at TB.