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Re: Vikings: Teddy Bridgewater needs more consistency
Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2015 2:16 pm
by dead_poet
TSonn wrote:I read on another board that we lead the league in 7 step drops. Is there a way to find that info? Seems like a pretty terrible strategy considering our OLine issues.
Stat attributed to @PFF
Teddy Bridgewater is now being pressured on 47.4% of dropbacks over the season, most in NFL. Vikings lead league in 7-step drops.
— Pro Football Focus (@PFF) December 7, 2015
Re: Vikings: Teddy Bridgewater needs more consistency
Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2015 3:06 pm
by Mothman
dead_poet wrote:
Stat attributed to @PFF
In related news:
http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2015/12/0 ... focus.html
Re: Vikings: Teddy Bridgewater needs more consistency
Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2015 8:08 pm
by HardcoreVikesFan
I hate PFF as much as Zimmer, but it is time for Zimmer to realize that his offense, is simply, offensive.
Even Zimmer can't be as arrogant to see that his offense is not working. Something needs to change. You cannot win when an offense is this stuck in neutral (or, hell, even in reverse).
Run the damn ball, quit the seven step drops, throw some slants. There is so many things that can be done to adjust to the fact that the offensive line is poor - we just have yet to see it all season.
Re: Vikings: Teddy Bridgewater needs more consistency
Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2015 10:19 pm
by mosscarter
the thing is they are 7 step drops to nowhere. he hesitates, double pumps and either overthrows a receiver or throws out of bounds. he looks pathetic.
Re: Vikings: Teddy Bridgewater needs more consistency
Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2015 6:39 pm
by Mothman
I accidentally stumbled across this site today while looking for a completely different stat:
http://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/stats ... ards/2015/
It's an analytics site. I don't know too much about it aside from what it says on the site's
about page. Consequently, I don't know how accurate it is but it's interesting,to see the "air yards" and yards after catch for QBs.
According to the site, 44.2% of Bridgewater's 2015 passing yards have come through the air and 55.8% have been yards gained after the catch. The only two starters with a lower percentage of yards through the air are Foles and Alex Smith. Based on what we've seen in games, this shouldn't come as a surprise.
The opposite end of the spectrum: starters like Newton (68.4%), Roethlisberger (65.3%), Bortles (65.1%) and Palmer (63.1%) pick up a substantial percentage of their passing yardage through the air.
Re: Vikings: Teddy Bridgewater needs more consistency
Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2015 9:11 pm
by Purple bruise
Mothman wrote:I accidentally stumbled across this site today while looking for a completely different stat:
http://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/stats ... ards/2015/
It's an analytics site. I don't know too much about it aside from what it says on the site's
about page. Consequently, I don't know how accurate it is but it's interesting,to see the "air yards" and yards after catch for QBs.
According to the site, 44.2% of Bridgewater's 2015 passing yards have come through the air and 55.8% have been yards gained after the catch. The only two starters with a lower percentage of yards through the air are Foles and Alex Smith. Based on what we've seen in games, this shouldn't come as a surprise.
The opposite end of the spectrum: starters like Newton (68.4%), Roethlisberger (65.3%), Bortles (65.1%) and Palmer (63.1%) pick up a substantial percentage of their passing yardage through the air.
You accidentally stumbled across

Come on Jim, you are constantly finding negative things to post about TB

Re: Vikings: Teddy Bridgewater needs more consistency
Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2015 9:22 pm
by Demi
Run the damn ball, quit the seven step drops, throw some slants. There is so many things that can be done to adjust to the fact that the offensive line is poor - we just have yet to see it all season.
And in some previous seasons, it's been "quit the short stuff, throw past the line of scrimmage". The defense has some say in this too. If they're set up to stop the shorter stuff, and you can't complete the longer stuff, how much success is any team going to have? We had a couple west coast guys in here before Norv and still struggled. Can we really keep blaming the OC? Between the QB, and the talent around that QB (or lack thereof), I'm not sure any OC could have any real success.
Re: Vikings: Teddy Bridgewater needs more consistency
Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2015 9:24 pm
by Mothman
Purple bruise wrote:You accidentally stumbled across

Come on Jim, you are constantly finding negative things to post about TB

I was looking for a stat about time before the throw and the "yards through the air" link came up in Google.
I wish I could laugh at the rest (I know you're kidding) but so many people are actually trying to pin that rep on me that I've lost my sense of humor about it, at least for now. Sorry.
The truth is I'm just interested in analyzing Bridgewater as the QB he is, good or bad or anywhere in-between.
I'm hoping someone will actually find those stats interesting and comment on them. What's your take on them?
Re: Vikings: Teddy Bridgewater needs more consistency
Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2015 9:26 pm
by Purple bruise
Mothman wrote:
I was looking for a stat about time before the throw and the "yards through the air" link came up in Google.
I wish I could laugh at the rest (I know you're kidding) but so many people are actually trying to pin that rep on me that I've lost my sense of humor about it, at least for now. Sorry.
The truth is I'm just interested in analyzing Bridgewater as the QB he is, good or bad or anywhere in-between.
I'm hoping someone will actually find those stats interesting and comment on them. What's your take on them?
So I am just curious, how do you think that he played in this last game

Re: Vikings: Teddy Bridgewater needs more consistency
Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2015 9:57 pm
by Mothman
Purple bruise wrote:So I am just curious, how do you think that he played in this last game

I thought he played very well against the Cardinals, for the most part (you already know my view regarding the last play). He had a good, solid game and made a few beautiful throws. It was one of his better performances and I'm hoping he can build on it.
However... you didn't answer my question!
Re: Vikings: Teddy Bridgewater needs more consistency
Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2015 10:04 pm
by Demi
The truth is I'm just interested in analyzing Bridgewater as the QB he is
People aren't interested in that.
They're interested in you analyzing him as the QB they want him to be.

Re: Vikings: Teddy Bridgewater needs more consistency
Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2015 10:08 pm
by Purple bruise
Mothman wrote:
I thought he played very well against the Cardinals, for the most part (you already know my view regarding the last play). He had a good, solid game and made a few beautiful throws. It was one of his better performances and I'm hoping he can build on it.
However... you didn't answer my question!
Well I am primarily concerned with just one important stat....Winning. I love the way he makes plays with his mobility but admittedly he does make some bad choices and throws from time to time. I guess I see a lot more of TB's potential than do most. By all accounts, he has a great work ethic, is such a good kid, has a tremendous attitude and make no mistake Zim "loves" him as a player and a leader.
We will have to see how it all shakes out but I hope that they can solidify that terrible pass protecting line next year and then get a truer evaluation of his passing skills. I am "all in on the TB bandwagon though

Re: Vikings: Teddy Bridgewater needs more consistency
Posted: Tue Dec 15, 2015 9:21 am
by Mothman
Demi wrote:
People aren't interested in that.
They're interested in you analyzing him as the QB they want him to be.

I think there's some truth to that.
Re: Vikings: Teddy Bridgewater needs more consistency
Posted: Tue Dec 15, 2015 9:24 am
by Mothman
Purple bruise wrote:Well I am primarily concerned with just one important stat....Winning. I love the way he makes plays with his mobility but admittedly he does make some bad choices and throws from time to time. I guess I see a lot more of TB's potential than do most. By all accounts, he has a great work ethic, is such a good kid, has a tremendous attitude and make no mistake Zim "loves" him as a player and a leader.
We will have to see how it all shakes out but I hope that they can solidify that terrible pass protecting line next year and then get a truer evaluation of his passing skills. I am "all in on the TB bandwagon though

You still didn't answer my question about the stats but I'll let you off the hook.

Re: Vikings: Teddy Bridgewater needs more consistency
Posted: Tue Dec 15, 2015 10:00 am
by Raptorman
Mothman wrote:
I was looking for a stat about time before the throw and the "yards through the air" link came up in Google.
I wish I could laugh at the rest (I know you're kidding) but so many people are actually trying to pin that rep on me that I've lost my sense of humor about it, at least for now. Sorry.
The truth is I'm just interested in analyzing Bridgewater as the QB he is, good or bad or anywhere in-between.
I'm hoping someone will actually find those stats interesting and comment on them. What's your take on them?
If I remember correctly from a few years ago the NFL average was around 50% YAC for most QB's. So anything around above or below that around 5% was considered ok. Now, of course this was a discussion on a Packer forum so.........Although after looking at the number then, and if you look at the past years on the site it seems about right.