Re: Championship Roster
Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2021 1:23 pm
Dude I enjoy reading your posts and all but there are times you REALLY tend to blow things out of proportion. This is one of those posts.CharVike wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 9:31 am
The Bucs traded up one spot in the 2020 NFL Draft to nab the Iowa product at 13 overall. Wirfs ended up being worth that and then some, as he gave up just one sack on 1,352 snaps in the regular season.
Trader down Rick would never even consider a move like that which was proven again this year. He moved away from the best prospects to collect picks that again where further away from the top prospects. Old dog same old tricks. Results will be the same.
Your obsession with this whole "top prospect" thing has to stop. Do you realize that there are teams out there that have been picking "top prospects" over and over again for years and have gone nowhere? Look at the Lions, Jets, Jags, Browns, etc. It was just recently where the Browns started to become relevant. So if these so called "top prospects" are such a sure thing, wouldnt like you claim, wouldnt these teams get drastically better over the years? I dont think any teams in the NFL had more top picks than these teams, and they still all suck outside of Cleveland. It only took them 20 years to get out of the gutter.
Also, I've mentioned this before to you and I'm pretty sure you didnt answer. I'd love to hear your response. So you keep mentioned top LT prospects. Well the top one was Penei Sewell out of Oregon in case you werent aware. Anyways, you tell me what deal you'd rather have.....
-Trade UP to Miami's pick at #6 from #14 (because we'd have to jump the Lions at 7 who drafted Sewell). A trade of this caliber would cost us MULTIPLE picks including a FIRST rounder next year. So the result....
Vikings land LT Penei Sewell and lose a boat load of draft picks including next years first rounder.
--------OR--------
The Vikings trade down with the Jets and gain 2 third rounders and draft LT Christian Darrisaw. So the result....
Vikings land LT Christian Darrisaw, QB Kellen Mond and OG Wyatt Davis and still keep all their future picks
If you really believe that option 1 was better than option 2, or anywhere even close for that matter, you are high on the worlds craziest drugs.
And then you use the Bucs/SF trade last year to compare? The Bucs moved up ONE spot. ONE! That cost the Bucs a 4th round pick. That's it. Not even remotely close to what we would've had to give up to go land the drafts "top LT prospect".
Not sure where to even start here. I was literally just talking to my buddy last week about Spielman and this years approach. Like how in any way, shape or form is it the same as previous years?? If anything, even to my surprise, it’s much, much different.Licht like all GMs has made mistakes but I give the guy credit he learns from his mistakes and changes his approach. I think this year he made a great pick with Kyle Trask. He's a guy that fell off the table because of his lack of mobility. But he has a quick delivery and is accurate. He took what fell in his lap and didn't even need a QB. Rick would never do that. Single focused which isn't a great trait.
-The amount of big name FA they brought in (Tomlinson, Peterson, Woods, Richardson, Alexander, Breeland, etc)
-Their approach in the draft (went OL, QB, OL in their first 3 picks which is unheard of under Zim).
-Their philosophy behind what they need in offensive lineman. They even came out and said they need to find guys with more of an anchor that can pass block
-The fact that they take an early 3rd round QB, something they havent done in who knows how long.
What are the two things everyone always rips Spielman for? Not preparing at the backup QB position and “ignoring the OL”. He literally addressed both of those areas within the first 3 picks of his precious draft.
So dont sit there and say the approach is the same. It’s literally not even close to being the same.
Also, I love how you praise the Trask pick for TB and say the GM learns from his mistakes and changes his approach. Yet, Rick Spielman literally drafts Kellen Mond like 4 picks later and somehow Spielman has tunnel vision? Like, what?
I’m not going to say our OL is better. Our OL is simply unproven. This is by far the most promising our OL has looked heading into a season in quite a while. You act like we’re rolling in with Dakota Dozier. How do you expect the OL to get better over time? This is a start.Right now our talent level isn't at the Bucs level. Especially on the OL it's not even close. There C is a dam good player who provided a consistent anchor and leader in the middle of the line. Our guy has no anchor. Can't hold the point very well and Rick didn't even address this issue. In the 3rd round the Steelers picked a C who should have been in our pocket to challenge Bradbury. Make him earn his roster spot and play better. We had the pick and the player was there.