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Posted: **Thu Oct 31, 2019 8:36 pm**

ERIK the PURPLE wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 12:58 am So it appears we are going up against an aggressive blitzing defense. Given our line, I would flood them with dump off passes out of the shotgun. I’d go 2 WR’s, one TE, and split Cook and Mattison left and right behind Cousins. If Thielen doesn’t play, I go 2 TE’s. Get the ball out in 2 seconds and watch the yards pile up.

Top five QB's against the blitz in 2019 so far. In reverse order.

5. Aaron Rodgers 118.6
4. Phillip Rivers. 120.0
3. Russell Wilson. 122.9
2. Matthew Stafford. 125.7
1. Kirk Cousins. 130.0

Posted: **Thu Oct 31, 2019 8:52 pm**

The Packers are playing a much different game since McCarthy has left. I think they redid both schemes. They are involved in much closer games. I'm not looking it up but that's my feeling. They are actually trying to run the ball and play some D. Teams didn't have much film to look at regarding this so it's possible they will catch up. I give them credit for a good start and the media loves them anyway and they can't tell enough. But every break shouldn't continue to go there way for the rest of the year. If so they probably win the division. The media will shoot a load at that point. We were written off as crap early on and our team has worked it's way back up. Yes we beat some below average teams but that's what we needed to do. This Chief team is a very good team and they are coached by a good one. I just hope our D steps up with a tremendous effort. If they don't we will have our hands full big time.

Posted: **Fri Nov 01, 2019 8:27 am**

Raptorman wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 8:36 pm
ERIK the PURPLE wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 12:58 am So it appears we are going up against an aggressive blitzing defense. Given our line, I would flood them with dump off passes out of the shotgun. I’d go 2 WR’s, one TE, and split Cook and Mattison left and right behind Cousins. If Thielen doesn’t play, I go 2 TE’s. Get the ball out in 2 seconds and watch the yards pile up.
Top five QB's against the blitz in 2019 so far. In reverse order.

5. Aaron Rodgers 118.6
4. Phillip Rivers. 120.0
3. Russell Wilson. 122.9
2. Matthew Stafford. 125.7
1. Kirk Cousins. 130.0

You missed one:

Teddy Bridgewater: 119.1

I think one of the big reasons Rodgers had success against the Chiefs, was that even though he was getting sacked and hit a lot, he was reading where the blitz was coming from well and knew right where to go with the ball after the snap. Cousins can do the same, so I am actually pretty optimistic about him doing well in this game, where as I would usually bet money that he would struggle against a playoff team.

Posted: **Fri Nov 01, 2019 8:42 am**

StumpHunter wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 8:27 am
Raptorman wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 8:36 pm

Top five QB's against the blitz in 2019 so far. In reverse order.

5. Aaron Rodgers 118.6
4. Phillip Rivers. 120.0
3. Russell Wilson. 122.9
2. Matthew Stafford. 125.7
1. Kirk Cousins. 130.0
You missed one:

Teddy Bridgewater: 119.1

I think one of the big reasons Rodgers had success against the Chiefs, was that even though he was getting sacked and hit a lot, he was reading where the blitz was coming from well and knew right where to go with the ball after the snap. Cousins can do the same, so I am actually pretty optimistic about him doing well in this game, where as I would usually bet money that he would struggle against a playoff team.

Another cover up but this team is a playoff offense when Mahomes is healthy but their defense is not a playoff defense. 24th in total defense, 11th in passing defense (I dont know how because they dont cover well) and 30th vs. the run. Andy Reid needs to start investing in this defense if they want to contend for a SB. Otherwise Mahomes will be like Peyton Manning and win 1-2 in his career if he's lucky but come up just short every year because his defense cant stop anyone from scoring.

Posted: **Fri Nov 01, 2019 9:08 am**

Pondering Her Percy wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 8:42 am
StumpHunter wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 8:27 am

You missed one:

Teddy Bridgewater: 119.1

I think one of the big reasons Rodgers had success against the Chiefs, was that even though he was getting sacked and hit a lot, he was reading where the blitz was coming from well and knew right where to go with the ball after the snap. Cousins can do the same, so I am actually pretty optimistic about him doing well in this game, where as I would usually bet money that he would struggle against a playoff team.
Another cover up but this team is a playoff offense when Mahomes is healthy but their defense is not a playoff defense. 24th in total defense, 11th in passing defense (I dont know how because they dont cover well) and 30th vs. the run. Andy Reid needs to start investing in this defense if they want to contend for a SB. Otherwise Mahomes will be like Peyton Manning and win 1-2 in his career if he's lucky but come up just short every year because his defense cant stop anyone from scoring.

So I can't ever say Cousins is going to be successful without it being a cover up?

Fine then.

I predict Cousins faces more pressure than he has in the previous 4 games combined, similar to how Rodgers was pressured versus the Chiefs. Unlike Rodgers though, Cousins struggles to make the big plays opened up by an aggressive KC team, and he wilts into the check down, turnover prone machine he has always been when facing a good team.

Posted: **Fri Nov 01, 2019 12:06 pm**

I don't think the game is going to come down to how well Cousins plays as I see the Vikings really hitting the Chiefs hard on the ground. This is not a defense that defends the run well at all. Why not test and attack the weakest area of your opponent, at least initially, and see if you can exploit it? If Stefanski is the "genius" that people are now saying he is, he can demonstrate that by letting his offense go after KC where they are weakest. A well-rested Vikings offensive line, tight ends, and running backs should be able to hurt KC on the ground.

Does Cousins still have to show up and play well? Absolutely, and he might have to play really well if the Vikings fail to punch it into the endzone like they did against the Redskins and KC finds it on offense against the Vikings defense, but assuming the defense holds up, the only time I want to see if KC's aggressive blitzing is a factor at all is in their next game. In this game, the Vikings need to bully the crap out of KC's front 7 and do just enough through the air to keep their DBs honest.

Posted: **Fri Nov 01, 2019 1:49 pm**

StumpHunter wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 9:08 am

So I can't ever say Cousins is going to be successful without it being a cover up?

Fine then.

Oh you can. But I just find it funny that you rip on Cousins any chance you get , wanted nothing to do with him, blame him any chance you get, etc. but then when you see he is going against an average to below average defense you say "I predict he's going to have a good game" so nobody can come back at you and call you out. But then if he does play bad, you can continue to point the finger at him like you always do. It's a win-win for you. Basically you know your limits with him. If he's playing a weak defense and you think he's good enough to pick them apart, you'll predict he plays well so it covers your butt. You've done it multiple times on here. Kinda funny if you ask me.

I predict Cousins faces more pressure than he has in the previous 4 games combined, similar to how Rodgers was pressured versus the Chiefs. Unlike Rodgers though, Cousins struggles to make the big plays opened up by an aggressive KC team, and he wilts into the check down, turnover prone machine he has always been when facing a good team.

Sooo you're predicting him to play well but now predicting he turns into the "turnover prone machine that wilts into the check down". But either way, its funny you say that because Kirk Cousins is actually #1, yes #1 in the NFL vs. the blitz. Rodgers is 5th vs the blitz. But unlike Rodgers, I guess he'll "struggle to make plays, wilt into the check down and turn the ball over" when he's currently the top QB vs the blitz this year.....makes sense.

Posted: **Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:15 pm**

The Vikings offense can probably keep up and keep the chiefs off the field with a combo of runs and screen passes. Can the Vikings defense improve and make a couple stops? I don't anticipate the chiefs defense being able to keep the Vikings from moving the ball so this should come down to getting TDs in the redzone, avoiding turnovers and getting a few defensive stops.

Posted: **Fri Nov 01, 2019 7:56 pm**

Do the Chiefs have an established running game? Anyways I expect the DBs to earn their moneys worth this game. Everyone should hopefully be well rested. Definitely may have to rely another successful running game to lead us to the promise land again.

Posted: **Sat Nov 02, 2019 1:27 pm**

Dmizzle0 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 7:56 pm Do the Chiefs have an established running game? Anyways I expect the DBs to earn their moneys worth this game. Everyone should hopefully be well rested. Definitely may have to rely another successful running game to lead us to the promise land again.

No, that's actually a sore spot for the Chiefs. They had a solid running game last year, but this year they're 25th in the NFL in both yards per carry and yards per game. They've become really one-dimensional. They rushed for only 88 yards against a very vulnerable Green Bay rush defense, 53 in a loss to Houston, and 36 in a loss to Indy.

Posted: **Sat Nov 02, 2019 8:13 pm**

fiestavike wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:15 pm The Vikings offense can probably keep up and keep the chiefs off the field with a combo of runs and screen passes. Can the Vikings defense improve and make a couple stops? I don't anticipate the chiefs defense being able to keep the Vikings from moving the ball so this should come down to getting TDs in the redzone, avoiding turnovers and getting a few defensive stops.

You said that dam good. If our D don't play like a top 5 group I don't think we win. I'm not expecting a shut out but as you stated stop them a few times. If they wilt that will put too much pressure on our O. Then one TO and we will be in catch up mode. Our OC better realize having long drawn out run drives will be the best way to go. And when we get down there pound it in. Don't go for the high lite stuff. If we get into this you score I score BS it won't end on a good note. And that comes down to our D. They need to get some sacks and cover tightly. Hopefully Rhodes is back to 2017 form. That will be a tremendous up lift for us.

Posted: **Sun Nov 03, 2019 11:33 am**

Pondering Her Percy wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 1:49 pm
StumpHunter wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 9:08 am

So I can't ever say Cousins is going to be successful without it being a cover up?

Fine then.
Oh you can. But I just find it funny that you rip on Cousins any chance you get , wanted nothing to do with him, blame him any chance you get, etc. but then when you see he is going against an average to below average defense you say "I predict he's going to have a good game" so nobody can come back at you and call you out. But then if he does play bad, you can continue to point the finger at him like you always do. It's a win-win for you. Basically you know your limits with him. If he's playing a weak defense and you think he's good enough to pick them apart, you'll predict he plays well so it covers your butt. You've done it multiple times on here. Kinda funny if you ask me.

I predict Cousins faces more pressure than he has in the previous 4 games combined, similar to how Rodgers was pressured versus the Chiefs. Unlike Rodgers though, Cousins struggles to make the big plays opened up by an aggressive KC team, and he wilts into the check down, turnover prone machine he has always been when facing a good team.
Sooo you're predicting him to play well but now predicting he turns into the "turnover prone machine that wilts into the check down". But either way, its funny you say that because Kirk Cousins is actually #1, yes #1 in the NFL vs. the blitz. Rodgers is 5th vs the blitz. But unlike Rodgers, I guess he'll "struggle to make plays, wilt into the check down and turn the ball over" when he's currently the top QB vs the blitz this year.....makes sense.

Ding Ding Ding! Good post PHP and dead on.

Posted: **Sun Nov 03, 2019 11:49 am**

The negotiator wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 11:33 am
Pondering Her Percy wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 1:49 pm

Oh you can. But I just find it funny that you rip on Cousins any chance you get , wanted nothing to do with him, blame him any chance you get, etc. but then when you see he is going against an average to below average defense you say "I predict he's going to have a good game" so nobody can come back at you and call you out. But then if he does play bad, you can continue to point the finger at him like you always do. It's a win-win for you. Basically you know your limits with him. If he's playing a weak defense and you think he's good enough to pick them apart, you'll predict he plays well so it covers your butt. You've done it multiple times on here. Kinda funny if you ask me.

Sooo you're predicting him to play well but now predicting he turns into the "turnover prone machine that wilts into the check down". But either way, its funny you say that because Kirk Cousins is actually #1, yes #1 in the NFL vs. the blitz. Rodgers is 5th vs the blitz. But unlike Rodgers, I guess he'll "struggle to make plays, wilt into the check down and turn the ball over" when he's currently the top QB vs the blitz this year.....makes sense.
Ding Ding Ding! Good post PHP and dead on.

'The blitz' is not the same thing as pressure. Recognizing the blitz and hitting the slant or dumping the ball off to the hb when there is a blitz is great. An oc calling well timed screens against the blitz is great. Cousins is excellent when he is called to recognize keys and use plan a or plan b. He's very organized and uptight. He's genuinely dreadful under pressure, when plan a and plan b dont work and he has to improvise.

Nothing has occured over the last two seasons to contradict that narrative. He is who we thought he was.

Posted: **Sun Nov 03, 2019 12:07 pm**

Pondering Her Percy wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 1:49 pm
StumpHunter wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 9:08 am

So I can't ever say Cousins is going to be successful without it being a cover up?

Fine then.
Oh you can. But I just find it funny that you rip on Cousins any chance you get , wanted nothing to do with him, blame him any chance you get, etc. but then when you see he is going against an average to below average defense you say "I predict he's going to have a good game" so nobody can come back at you and call you out. But then if he does play bad, you can continue to point the finger at him like you always do. It's a win-win for you. Basically you know your limits with him. If he's playing a weak defense and you think he's good enough to pick them apart, you'll predict he plays well so it covers your butt. You've done it multiple times on here. Kinda funny if you ask me.

I predict Cousins faces more pressure than he has in the previous 4 games combined, similar to how Rodgers was pressured versus the Chiefs. Unlike Rodgers though, Cousins struggles to make the big plays opened up by an aggressive KC team, and he wilts into the check down, turnover prone machine he has always been when facing a good team.
Sooo you're predicting him to play well but now predicting he turns into the "turnover prone machine that wilts into the check down". But either way, its funny you say that because Kirk Cousins is actually #1, yes #1 in the NFL vs. the blitz. Rodgers is 5th vs the blitz. But unlike Rodgers, I guess he'll "struggle to make plays, wilt into the check down and turn the ball over" when he's currently the top QB vs the blitz this year.....makes sense.

Jeez, so now you are upset that I predict Cousins struggles? Make up your mind.

How about this? Cook has a great game against a bad run D, Cousins is neither bad nor good, and we win.

Posted: **Sun Nov 03, 2019 12:29 pm**

StumpHunter wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 12:07 pm
Pondering Her Percy wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 1:49 pm

Oh you can. But I just find it funny that you rip on Cousins any chance you get , wanted nothing to do with him, blame him any chance you get, etc. but then when you see he is going against an average to below average defense you say "I predict he's going to have a good game" so nobody can come back at you and call you out. But then if he does play bad, you can continue to point the finger at him like you always do. It's a win-win for you. Basically you know your limits with him. If he's playing a weak defense and you think he's good enough to pick them apart, you'll predict he plays well so it covers your butt. You've done it multiple times on here. Kinda funny if you ask me.

Sooo you're predicting him to play well but now predicting he turns into the "turnover prone machine that wilts into the check down". But either way, its funny you say that because Kirk Cousins is actually #1, yes #1 in the NFL vs. the blitz. Rodgers is 5th vs the blitz. But unlike Rodgers, I guess he'll "struggle to make plays, wilt into the check down and turn the ball over" when he's currently the top QB vs the blitz this year.....makes sense.
Jeez, so now you are upset that I predict Cousins struggles? Make up your mind.

How about this? Cook has a great game against a bad run D, Cousins is neither bad nor good, and we win.

I'd like to see them start spelling cook with mattison a bit more over the second half of the season.

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