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Re: Who would you start in Week 1?

Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2014 11:47 am
by 84BreaksAnkles
I see your point and it's valid the bomb was sexy. I agree matt he can be decent, but I'm not sure I agree 100%

if you take away that TD bomb what were his stats....? 77 yds, 0 TD, 1 INT in 3 quarters?

Go back and honestly watch his subsequent drives after the TD, and tell me you want that brand of football all year...
think about this, really good defenses aren't going to blow coverage like that, that was on Eric Berry's replacement- an UNDRAFTED ROOKIE out of BYU. Go back, and look- hes the white safety.

So If were playing decent teams who aren't starting undrafted free-agent Safeties in the place of probowlers, then Matt doesn't get that look, and we get the 77yd, 0TD, 1INT performance. Which loses games.

Taking nothing away- it was a GREAT throw, and Nice catch. But we can't count on that.. we need consistency
Which Ted has showed nothing but in his brief glimpses.

Re: Who would you start in Week 1?

Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2014 12:28 pm
by Mercy Percy
28BreaksAnkles wrote:I see your point and it's valid the bomb was sexy. I agree matt he can be decent, but I'm not sure I agree 100%

if you take away that TD bomb what were his stats....? 77 yds, 0 TD, 1 INT in 3 quarters?

Go back and honestly watch his subsequent drives after the TD, and tell me you want that brand of football all year...
think about this, really good defenses aren't going to blow coverage like that, that was on Eric Berry's replacement- an UNDRAFTED ROOKIE out of BYU. Go back, and look- hes the white safety.

So If were playing decent teams who aren't starting undrafted free-agent Safeties in the place of probowlers, then Matt doesn't get that look, and we get the 77yd, 0TD, 1INT performance. Which loses games.

Taking nothing away- it was a GREAT throw, and Nice catch. But we can't count on that.. we need consistency
Which Ted has showed nothing but in his brief glimpses.
You know you cant assume that he wouldnt of done anything on that drive where he threw the nice td pass, you cant assume that he wouldnt of made other plays or wouldnt of had a touch down drive if that play didnt work. If you based players off of assumptions and things that could of happened but didnt you would be making very bad reads on players, Production is production period no matter how it gets done or got done.

Re: Who would you start in Week 1?

Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2014 1:33 pm
by 84BreaksAnkles
I tend to see flaws in that line of thinking mercy, for this reason...

Its not assumptions, its observations... here are Matt's drives vs the Chiefs..

Q1
1st drive - TD - 5 plays- 1 flat-pass to Asiata for around 30 yds, then the deep bomb to cordarrelle.

2nd drive - PUNT - 3&OUT, with Cassel taking an ugly sack on 3rd

3rd drive - SAFETY - Matt Cassel backed up against the endzone and gives up an ugly strip-sack-fumble-safety....

Q2
4th drive - PUNT - 1 First Down&OUT

5th drive - INTERCEPTION - after 1 scrambling 1st down on 3rd down-and-3, an ugly pick into double coverage

6th drive - FG - 3 plays, no first downs, 41-yarder by blair walsh

Q3
7th drive - PUNT - after 2 first downs, matt looked indecisive in the pocket and sputtered.

8th drive - FG - 9 plays, couple first downs, but no TD - working with the 1s???

And I've already outlined the reasons to not count on that 75-yard bomb to CP out of Cassel (Undrafted free-agent rookie Safety got destroyed- that look was only there because he blew coverage... WATCH IT).. In my opinion its misleading

Re: Who would you start in Week 1?

Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2014 1:46 pm
by Delaqure
My first thought on this is that Cassell played with and against #1s and Teddy played with and against #2 and #3. We all know that #2 and 3 defensive players are for the most part significantly less talented than the ones. In my mind that makes it harder to evaluate. I really wish Zimmer would have played Teddy with and against s r starters just to see how he would do. Even if its only a quarter or two. But he didn't and that's that. We will most likely see Teddy this year unless Matt is playing very well. And he hasn't proven himself to be consistent so we'll see. There is no doubt Teddy has shown he has talent. But is he ready for prime time against the best each team has to offer? I don't really know. I think I'll leave that up to Zimmer and Turner for now. They still have my trust.

Re: Who would you start in Week 1?

Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2014 1:55 pm
by 84BreaksAnkles
Delaqure wrote:My first thought on this is that Cassell played with and against #1s and Teddy played with and against #2 and #3. We all know that #2 and 3 defensive players are for the most part significantly less talented than the ones. In my mind that makes it harder to evaluate. I really wish Zimmer would have played Teddy with and against s r starters just to see how he would do. Even if its only a quarter or two. But he didn't and that's that. We will most likely see Teddy this year unless Matt is playing very well. And he hasn't proven himself to be consistent so we'll see. There is no doubt Teddy has shown he has talent. But is he ready for prime time against the best each team has to offer? I don't really know. I think I'll leave that up to Zimmer and Turner for now. They still have my trust.
Agreed. None of us know if TT2MBW is ready for the prime time..
Norv and Zim have seen what we haven't in practice, so they know best.

Re: Who would you start in Week 1?

Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2014 2:18 pm
by Mothman
28BreaksAnkles wrote:Agreed. None of us know if TT2MBW is ready for the prime time..
Norv and Zim have seen what we haven't in practice, so they know best.
What does TT2MBW stand for? I'm assuming the first "T" is Teddy and the "BW" is Bridgewater but the "T2M"? :confused:

Re: Who would you start in Week 1?

Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2014 2:52 pm
by 84BreaksAnkles
Mothman wrote:What does TT2MBW stand for? I'm assuming the first "T" is Teddy and the "BW" is Bridgewater but the "T2M"? :confused:
Touchdown Teddy 2-Minutes Bridgewater ... Duh :D
:point:

Re: Who would you start in Week 1?

Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2014 3:09 pm
by Mothman
28BreaksAnkles wrote:Touchdown Teddy 2-Minutes Bridgewater ... Duh :D
:point:
LOL! Okay, I've got it now.

Re: Who would you start in Week 1?

Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2014 5:51 pm
by Delaqure
28BreaksAnkles wrote: Touchdown Teddy 2-Minutes Bridgewater ... Duh :D
:point:
NICE! :rock:

Let's hope that TT2MBW stands the test of time and he comes through for us in the long run! GO TT2MBW!

Re: Who would you start in Week 1?

Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2014 6:18 pm
by Reignman
28BreaksAnkles wrote:Here are a few factors:
Matt Cassel -
1st game- lead the team on two crisp drives in the first game, resulting in 0 TDs.
Except for that rushing TD by Asiata on the opening drive vs Oakland. You can't penalize the QB for a goal line TD run.
28BreaksAnkles wrote:2nd game- lead the team for the first half to a decent start with effective throwing, 1 TD, and a fieldgoal. Had issues at times with continuing drives and identifying pressure, and handling pressure in the pocket.
What about that nice 20+ yard run? I thought he identified pressure just fine. He was even able to look over his shoulder on that long run which allowed him to get down and slide before he was stripped from behind.
28BreaksAnkles wrote:3rd game- Although his first drive, and ensuing gorgeous deep bomb to Cordarrelle, was a promising start, Matt struggled thereafter to move the chains, get in scoring position or build on the first drive. Matt struggled multiple times with identifying when the Chiefs were sending extra guys- and from where-.. he was constantly pressured in the pocket, and was clunky with his pocket step-up resulting in a few sacks, a fumble, and an ugly pick into double coverage..
I agree it was his most shakiest game of the preseason, but his deep passes were on target despite his struggles in other areas.
28BreaksAnkles wrote:I was just dissapointed with his performance overall on the day if you subtract the 75 yard TD to Cordarrelle - ~75yds, 0 TD, 1 INT, in 3 quarters of play??????????
It was a 53 yard TD to Patterson, and how can you subtract it? It was a beautiful ball, on target, and in stride. And if you subtract it, then I'm going to add the beautiful pass to Jennings over 2 defenders that was ruled out of bounds because Jennings didn't get his foot down. Poor effort by Jennings. And the interception wasn't a bad pass. It was probably a bad decision to throw deep into double coverage, but Simpson didn't exactly go up and fight for the ball. The play was equivalent to a 54 yard punt (on 1st down), which is much longer than the punts we're getting from Locke lately xD.
28BreaksAnkles wrote:Although he was mostly efficient in his preseason outings, he was struggling with things that a vet should not be struggling with (pocket pressure, sustaining drives)
All vets have bad games where they struggle with things they typically don't struggle with. Did you watch Manning in the Bowl this past February? It happens. The "at-a-boys" far out weigh the "oh-$hits" by Cassel so far this preseason, and I think he earned the starting job. Besides we owe it to him for making him sit behind Ponder last year xD.
28BreaksAnkles wrote:Ted -
1st game- saw limited time. Consistently was hurried, and under major pressure in the pocket. Although he made a few mistakes, he avoided any huge turnovers, or costly errors. was surprisingly efficient given the circumstances..
He held the ball too long in that 1st game and didn't take any chances. And maybe he never got credited with a turnover, but he did have that fumble down near the red zone.
28BreaksAnkles wrote:2nd game- Commanding on the field, Moved the ball
No doubt about it, one heck of a game. You never would have guessed he was a rookie. The poise, the coolness, the clutch. Pressure doesn't seem to rattle this kid and the future looks promising for us at the QB position for the 1st time in a long time. I'm most impressed with how he's handled the blitz. I bet his rating is higher vs the blitz than not.
28BreaksAnkles wrote:3rd game- although I was surprised that we didn't get to see him until the 4th, he did exactly what he needed to do.. When he ended up with the ball in the redzone, he did NOT settle for fieldgoals, or make mistakes. He threw 2 TDs... Both were good decisions
I think that has a lot to do with Norvs aggressive vertical scheme. We're actually going to see more shots at and into the end zone, and I love it. Between the conservative schemes run by Childress and Frazier, we've been deprived of watching an offense that could attack the end zone. It also helps to have QB's who can execute and both Cassel and Teddy have delivered so far. Teddy has done a lot of things right and it's more than encouraging, but I think Cassel deserves the start. Let Teddy sit, learn, and gain a little weight. If Cassel goes on one of his Ponderesque runs, then let the controversy begin.

Re: Who would you start in Week 1?

Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2014 6:20 pm
by Reignman
28BreaksAnkles wrote: Touchdown Teddy 2-Minutes Bridgewater ... Duh :D
:point:
Ha! Then shouldn't it be TDT2MBW or TT2MB? Maybe I'm just over thinking it xD. Carry on.

Re: Who would you start in Week 1?

Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2014 7:40 pm
by 84BreaksAnkles
Reignman wrote:I think that has a lot to do with Norvs aggressive vertical scheme. We're actually going to see more shots at and into the end zone, and I love it. Between the conservative schemes run by Childress and Frazier, we've been deprived of watching an offense that could attack the end zone. It also helps to have QB's who can execute and both Cassel and Teddy have delivered so far. Teddy has done a lot of things right and it's more than encouraging, but I think Cassel deserves the start. Let Teddy sit, learn, and gain a little weight. If Cassel goes on one of his Ponderesque runs, then let the controversy begin.
Agreed! Although I don't with my eyes necessarily believe Cassel deserves the start, I feel as though he did nothing to warrant benching, that is not the same.. But sooo excited for Norv to be with us...

look at this , this is just pathetic...
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vs.

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What is that play card? like triple the size???.. jeez :wallbang:

Re: Who would you start in Week 1?

Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2014 7:49 pm
by 84BreaksAnkles
Reignman wrote:Ha! Then shouldn't it be TDT2MBW or TT2MB? Maybe I'm just over thinking it xD. Carry on.
You know I like the sound of that, it has a ring... Well when he starts hittin' the field and slangin' those- we'll let the TDT2MBW vs TT2MBW debate begin

Re: Who would you start in Week 1?

Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2014 8:00 pm
by 84BreaksAnkles
I've been thinking a lot after re-watching and re-watching the cardinals game and the chiefs game, and im really wondering...

WILL SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME HOW, in 5 Quarters OF PLAY with 2 TD, 1 INT, 1 safety, 1 fumble, 11 1st downs, MATT CASSEL's PLAY WARRANTS a 44-7 VOTE FROM THIS FORUM IN FAVOR OF MATT CASSEL OVER TDT2MBW/TT2MBW???

Since when does 14 pts, an INT and a safety and only 11 1st downs win games in this league?

Look at Russel Wilson's Situation 2 years ago ...... very comparable to Ted's...

Re: Who would you start in Week 1?

Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2014 8:02 pm
by Funkytown
:lol: at the play cards. That baby play card is always going to be funny.